EVE General Discussion

In response to the OP:

1. Risk. I've been playing Eve on and off since mid 2010 on a very casual basis and so far my main has never been attacked by another player. A few times she's had another ship pop up during a mission that flips a wreck but nothing has ever come of it. Operate below the radar and it's very safe. Even if I go roaming in a tier 1 fitted rifter or sit in a belt with a vexor to see what happens nothing ever does. Perhaps it's because I've stayed away from Jita and I don't mine.. who knows.

2. Profit. As long as I can cover the expenses I really don't care what the isk/hour rate is. If I need a block of isk to play around with a new ship then I'll sell a plex or two. As someone else said earlier, better to measure ones RL wealth.

Quite simple: One who engages in the least amount of risk + lives in highsec. If one such as he/she goes out of highsec to PVP or PVE but still remains most of the time in highsec he fits the "highsec dweller" better. Also, highsec PVPer (war decs) or even suicide ganker are not mutually exclusive to "highsec carebear" either.



One cannot want what he never had. Since the income one makes in highsec can affect the game for the one playing outside of highsec it is quite important the income potential be balanced. If most players feel that the income potential outside of highsec is too low for the risk they need to take then this means one of two things: either the rewards in high are too high or the rewards outside of highsec are too low. But nerfing one or buffing the other will have the opposite effect on the opposite region so my question still stands: is highsec income too low, enough are too high and why?

- Should casual gamers in highsec be able to afford a PLEX?
- Should casual gamers in highsec be able to afford a fully faction-fit pirate-navy battleship?
- If you think they should, what advantage "having a better income" really brings to the table, be it for the hardcore highsec, lowsec or the null player?



I do not dispute the fact some can make ridiculous amounts of isk regardless of the sec they play in. Anything related to industry/market is however strictly PVP as you do not touch isk faucets; all isk comes from other players and the competition for goods is what creates the buy low/sell high scenarios.
We are discussing strictly "solo PVE activities" available to the general solo player as these are the ones who make isk come into the game.



Simple: have Orca lock all your hulks and use a capital shield rep. Granted, this is not solo mining, but mining not solo is far more effective in many ways.

Keep flogging this dead horse. I swear I saw it twitch once.

I do as I wish to enjoy my Eve experience, with the proviso that another player, if determined enough, can always kill me unless I am docked.

This sums up Eve doesn't it?

There's the problem, there are a plethora of different understandings of 'carebear';

Is it the hisec miner with barely enough skills to field four T1 drones and squashes rats with 10% shield left?
Is it the 0.5 miner with enough skills to field a full flight of T2 drones who squashes rats before they even open fire?
Is it the battleship miner who gives a sh!t about Hulkageddon because he mines in... well, a battleship?
Is it the industrialist who makes billions buying minerals from the miners and building the ships you all fly?
Is it the Jita station-trader fighting his petty 0.01 wars who makes billions and doesn't even undock?

Fnck, I see myself as a carebear, even though I have no qualms to risk a Navy Vexor and jump into a storyline mission that even battleship-drivers struggle to manage. And lose said Navy Vexor in the process

[Edit]
On a side note, @Pipa Porto; to further clarify my earlier post - I draw a clear line between 'justified in-character player-versus-player-combat' and 'indiscriminate random player killing'.
While the former is a very welcome facet of emergent gameplay, the latter is plain griefing, or ruining-the-other-guys'-day-just-for-the-sh!ts'n'giggles'.
Yes, I am aware that CCP hf. officialy sanctions grief play in Eve Online, but neither do I understand why - except as a PR ploy to attract the 'hardcore badass CoDkiddies' as future players - nor do I understand this as a 'we must'.

Then use something else that does RR. Like a Rokh or a Basilisk.

You can gank tanked Hulk with two characters in 0.5 space. You don't need 6.

How, you ask. I've heard that most gankers don't do it for profit. They do it because they can do it.

Best part is when griefers think countering it isn't allowed in sandbox game.

And you too forget that most gankers don't do it for profit.

Two T2 fit Taloses can put out combined dps of 3600. And that's enough to destroy properly fit Hulk.

1822 dps / Talos

2 * 1822 = 3644 dps

Concord spawn time according to your suspicious research is 20 seconds in 0.5.

3644 * 20 = 72 880

Do you really think that's not enough?