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Planetary Interaction - Overpowered?

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Orlacc
#21 - 2011-10-06 16:47:02 UTC
This thread is lame. 400m is chump change. I guess next the market will be 'OP."


"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#22 - 2011-10-06 16:49:08 UTC
Joshua Vaughn Lampen wrote:
[quote=Malkuth Delapounti]Profit Per Hour: 589,040.00 ISK
Profit Per Day: 14,136,960.00 ISK
Profit Per Week: 98,958,720 ISK
Profit Per Month: 395,834,880 ISK

Now lets assume you've got an extra character and can make Neocoms from P2 inputs. Look at the massive difference in profit:

Profit Per Hour: 1,264,660.00 ISK
Profit Per Day: 30,351,840.00 ISK
Profit ......................................................



Just quoting a bit of the encyclopedia there for reference not use.

This assumes MAXIMUM output for a planet in High Sec.

There are no more planets left in High with maximum output as almost all are being farmed.

The output currently is anywhere from 25% - 50% Lower than these figures.

I have 3 toons doing Low Sec PI and one doing High.

The high sec output is just not even worth it IMHO.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Archer Investments Initiative
#23 - 2011-10-06 17:20:30 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Joshua Vaughn Lampen wrote:
[quote=Malkuth Delapounti]Profit Per Hour: 589,040.00 ISK
Profit Per Day: 14,136,960.00 ISK
Profit Per Week: 98,958,720 ISK
Profit Per Month: 395,834,880 ISK

Now lets assume you've got an extra character and can make Neocoms from P2 inputs. Look at the massive difference in profit:

Profit Per Hour: 1,264,660.00 ISK
Profit Per Day: 30,351,840.00 ISK
Profit ......................................................



Just quoting a bit of the encyclopedia there for reference not use.

This assumes MAXIMUM output for a planet in High Sec.

There are no more planets left in High with maximum output as almost all are being farmed.

The output currently is anywhere from 25% - 50% Lower than these figures.

I have 3 toons doing Low Sec PI and one doing High.

The high sec output is just not even worth it IMHO.


Hi there. Clearly you have a hard time reading since you obviously understood nothing that I wrote. Everything I described was for FACTORY PLANET PRODUCTION. There is no extraction being done whatsoever. Everything is being bought at the market and used in constructing higher-end products.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#24 - 2011-10-06 17:26:47 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
...This assumes MAXIMUM output for a planet in High Sec....

...The output currently is anywhere from 25% - 50% Lower than these figures. ...

... The high sec output is just not even worth it IMHO.


Way to read the entire post, not just the part you're quoting, and make false assumptions.
VaMei
Meafi Corp
#25 - 2011-10-06 17:56:55 UTC
Side stepping debate on how much you might be able to earn a month with PI, the whole point of PI is the Dust tie-in. CCP wants these planets to be valuable enough to us FiS guys that we will be willing to pay Dusties to fight over them.

With that goal in mind, I don't think we're there yet. When I can pack up and move to the next planet or system for a minimal expense, why would I pay someone to defend my claim or to kick someone else off of a planet?

IMO, unless the Dust tie-in will be deal only with Sov 0.0 planets, PI needs to become more valuable, not less.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#26 - 2011-10-06 18:08:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Joshua Vaughn Lampen wrote:

Hi there. Clearly you have a hard time reading since you obviously understood nothing that I wrote. Everything I described was for FACTORY PLANET PRODUCTION. There is no extraction being done whatsoever. Everything is being bought at the market and used in constructing higher-end products.



Then why post ??

This was about the 'Risk" factor of High Sec PI.

Buying off the Market and producing 'up' is not very profitable to begin with, especially since the initial P0 is FREE. You have thereby just about busted any profit possible.

And buying off the Market and producing is not risky at all and contributes NOTHING to the OP posting.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#27 - 2011-10-06 18:09:24 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:

Way to read the entire post, not just the part you're quoting, and make false assumptions.


I speak from over one year of experience in both High and Low Sec PI, NOT assumption.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Archer Investments Initiative
#28 - 2011-10-06 18:09:56 UTC
VaMei wrote:
Side stepping debate on how much you might be able to earn a month with PI, the whole point of PI is the Dust tie-in. CCP wants these planets to be valuable enough to us FiS guys that we will be willing to pay Dusties to fight over them.

With that goal in mind, I don't think we're there yet. When I can pack up and move to the next planet or system for a minimal expense, why would I pay someone to defend my claim or to kick someone else off of a planet?

IMO, unless the Dust tie-in will be deal only with Sov 0.0 planets, PI needs to become more valuable, not less.


I agree with your thoughts on PI and Dust. It will be interesting to see how it works out.
Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Archer Investments Initiative
#29 - 2011-10-06 18:28:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Joshua Vaughn Lampen wrote:

Hi there. Clearly you have a hard time reading since you obviously understood nothing that I wrote. Everything I described was for FACTORY PLANET PRODUCTION. There is no extraction being done whatsoever. Everything is being bought at the market and used in constructing higher-end products.



Then why post ??

This was about the 'Risk" factor of High Sec PI.

Buying off the Market and producing 'up' is not very profitable to begin with, especially since the initial P0 is FREE. You have thereby just about busted any profit possible.

And buying off the Market and producing is not risky at all and contributes NOTHING to the OP posting.


Alright kiddo... time to stop drinking out of that shiny can filled with acetone.

Let's review:

Was my post a reply to the OP?

HURR DURR. No it wasn't. GJ bro! Reading failure #2! If you'll use that fancy scroll and page button you might see to whom I was speaking.

Are you capable of understanding basic math?

Don't know why I even bothered asking that question because you clearly struggle with reading. Math must be pretty bad as well.

"Buying off the Market and producing 'up' is not very profitable to begin with, especially since the initial P0 is FREE. You have thereby just about busted any profit possible."

Yeah clearly you struggle with math too. 9.68% profit(849,851,520.00) on a main + alt with 1 hour of refilling on each character every 40 hours is awful. My god the passive income is so bad I should just delete my account.

Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:

Way to read the entire post, not just the part you're quoting, and make false assumptions.


I speak from over one year of experience in both High and Low Sec PI, NOT assumption.


This is like arguing that you know more about mining because you click on more asteroids than anyone. PI is not a difficult subject by any means.

And yes you made false assumptions by claiming:

Quote:
Just quoting a bit of the encyclopedia there for reference not use.

This assumes MAXIMUM output for a planet in High Sec.

There are no more planets left in High with maximum output as almost all are being farmed.

The output currently is anywhere from 25% - 50% Lower than these figures.

I have 3 toons doing Low Sec PI and one doing High.

The high sec output is just not even worth it IMHO.


You didn't even bother to read the post before declaring its claims erroneous. The point is that there are different benefits to operating in low and high-sec. Do you need to be in low-sec to make a lot of ISK from PI? Based on what you think you know from your YEAR of experience you clearly think so. The truth is if you do your homework you can find many markets in which to operate and profit.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#30 - 2011-10-08 02:16:39 UTC
Joshua Vaughn Lampen wrote:


You didn't even bother to read the post before declaring its claims erroneous. The point is that there are different benefits to operating in low and high-sec. Do you need to be in low-sec to make a lot of ISK from PI? Based on what you think you know from your YEAR of experience you clearly think so. The truth is if you do your homework you can find many markets in which to operate and profit.



Low Sec PI and it's production LIMIT
(based on the CPU and Power limits of the Command Centers themselves) has a built-in limit to how much P1 can be produced from P0.

Somewhere in there is your answer if you crunch the numbers.



"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Mirak Nijoba
Gamers Corner
#31 - 2011-10-08 15:18:47 UTC
Clearly Eve is full of a lot of uneducated and adolescent players...

To all of those Opposed to my Idea of Making PI more Risky...
PVP HAS BEEN MENTIONED FOR PI.
I'm just saying that it needs to come sooner.

The only risk of doing PI in high sec is Un-Docking Flying, Picking Up/ Dropping Off and Docking again.
(if you're known for making money on PI you might get Suicide Ganked in Highsec... Not as likely)

With Running Missions in High Sec. If there is no Risk then surely you can fly out in a cruiser and take on a level 4 mission without having it fit properly?

The risk with missions is that you can lose your ship. You cannot get podded by NPC's, but they will blow up your ship.

Would you like to say that there is no risk for mission running again? The risk gets smaller and smaller as you get a better and better ship. Take out your Good Ship / You're "1337" Skills. Then you're more likely to lose a ship. Hence More RISK than PI.

Why I posted this is because with everything there is a balance.

Mining = what used to be the safest high sec activity. You can get suicide Ganked by Goonswarm.
Missions = Relatively safe, you can lose your ship.
Trading = Investment / Market Risks. (No Ship Loss if you stay docked)

PI = From Nil to Millions without going into space but a few times a week if even.

The most you'll spend on a PI Character if you know what you're doing is going to be 50million Max for start up costs. Then 50mil for that one time set up where you make 400mil a month in no time flat.

There is no risk for Mining. There is no Fighting for Production Slots, There is little to no flying in space as you can check planetary progress from your station...

Go to Low/Null and do PI you'll make more ISK with only slightly more risk

...

I'm sure there is a lot of things in eve that veteran players like to do other than PI to make loads of money and there is a risk involved with each one... However, If you don't like PI or don't do PI please do not post in this topic unless your Post is in someway constructive...

Krixtal - please learn to read before you reply.
Joshua - Thank you for understanding where i was coming from.

Back to the Original Subject.

There needs to be more of a risk involved with PI.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#32 - 2011-10-08 19:17:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Mirak Nijoba wrote:
Clearly Eve is full of a lot of uneducated and adolescent players...

Krixtal - please learn to read before you reply.
There needs to be more of a risk involved with PI.



It is already just as risky as any other activity in the game. No more, no less. You can get suicide ganked at a custom station in High Sec just as easily as in Low Sec. High Sec rules already stop NO behaviors.

This entire thread is POINTLESS.

You already have the most 'dangerous' MMO on the Market. Make it more so? Make the game next to impossible to play for anyone in high sec? Make everything hideously even more dangerous ?

At some point.......no one will bother to play. Sounds like a plan being brewed up by yet another infant Nullbear.

Yawn.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#33 - 2011-10-08 21:00:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyktor Abyss
This is so awesome!

I just made 400M this month thanks to Joshua's sterling work....

The fact that I had to log in every 14 hours for about an hour each time has had absolutely no impact on my enjoyment of the game, and certainly hasn't contributed to me now being confined to a mental institution...

I'd just like to thank him so so so much that I'll be donating him.... eajbfab ferbfbgtioerw

*sorry fell asleep on keyboard due to exhaustion*

Oh and when DUST arrives expect my marines to murder your stupid highsec factory planets first if you think you're risk free.
Dynast
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#34 - 2011-10-08 23:54:34 UTC
Mirak Nijoba wrote:
Well 400mil isk a month and all you have to do is check this and move that and run some numbers... It's the safest money in the game in high sec might not be as fast as some people like it but for a new acct with a little bit of money say 25mil to get started to be able to make 400mil isk in a month is just ridiculous... it needs to have something to counteract it / make it a little more risky.

This is after all EVE we are talking about. ^_^

There's a reason people asked if you had actually done it; it's not that easy. You're EFTwarrioring.
Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Archer Investments Initiative
#35 - 2011-10-09 02:12:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Vyktor Abyss wrote:
This is so awesome!

I just made 400M this month thanks to Joshua's sterling work....

The fact that I had to log in every 14 hours for about an hour each time has had absolutely no impact on my enjoyment of the game, and certainly hasn't contributed to me now being confined to a mental institution...

I'd just like to thank him so so so much that I'll be donating him.... eajbfab ferbfbgtioerw

*sorry fell asleep on keyboard due to exhaustion*

Oh and when DUST arrives expect my marines to murder your stupid highsec factory planets first if you think you're risk free.


Oh noes... So afraid. What ever will I do? Roll Good luck going through the 67,253 out there ;)

Oh and the fact that Dust will really not affect high-sec planets. AT ALL. Blink
Woo Glin
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2011-10-09 04:22:16 UTC
Vyktor Abyss wrote:

Oh and when DUST arrives expect my marines to murder your stupid highsec factory planets first if you think you're risk free.


You're out of your mind if you think DUST mechanics are going to affect hisec. CCP has stubbornly protected those that choose to remain in hisec for years now, and there's no indication that this will change any time in the foreseeable future.

His factories, and those belonging to my alts, are completely safe.
GreenSeed
#37 - 2011-10-09 06:14:00 UTC
well, PI is profitable because the ppl that do it are just getting p1 or p2 products and selling them once a week to ppl who buy them at hubs and grind them on factory planets... and they do that because its profitable, and it is so because they are the only ones doing it. and yeah doing it is really a ISK printing machine... you can make money as fast as you can cycle your factories.

now, hows that op?

op would be if there were no way to... JUST GET YOUR OWN DAMN FACTOY PLANETS NEAR A HUB AND COMPETE...



oh wait, you can do that can you? and by doing it... wouldnt that make the profitability drop? in wich case wouldnt it be better for you just to stay working your niche producing p1 - p2 and selling OVER market price, in the hopes that this factory runners deplete the resources on market and have no option but to buy your crap?

ohhh this damn capitalism black magic... confuses my head Shocked
Umamasyean
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2011-10-10 03:28:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Umamasyean
Well...considering that PI is not really as skill intensive (especially in high sec) and the fact that a noob can do it, 400 mill ISK a month is a lot. Especially since once you're set up, you prolly need minimal mangement relative to stuff that's done in Level 4 missions, and low sec ratting, or wormholes. etc.

I mean, is "T1 module production" or something comparable to this? That's what you have to look at as a basis. I mean, you can say, 0.0 moon mining is much more profitable, but that's not really that accesible to a young character.
Bloody Wench
#39 - 2011-10-11 05:40:25 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
This is just so idiotic.

Good Luck making that 400 Million on one toon in High Sec. MAYBE 250 M, but that's with really great planet resources.

250M / Month is not worth making MORE difficult. It's drop in the bucket. Besides, as pointed out, there is WAY much more money in running Level 4 missions and there is NO threat at all there.

Those Missions bring me over 2 BILLION a month. Why don't we make THEM more risky in High Sec as well, huh ??

Grow a set and do PI in Low Sec. Now, that WILL bring in at least 1.6 BILLION a month, which I do. AND it is super risky.

Lets see you sweat at a Custom Station for pick up and 3 'Canes uncloak.

THERE is your damned risk.........................



Never thought I'd see PI and Super Risky in the same sentence, but there you have it.

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Damagora
Perkone
Caldari State
#40 - 2011-10-11 09:11:18 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


Lets see you sweat at a Custom Station for pick up and 3 'Canes uncloak.

THERE is your damned risk.........................



Cloaking canes?

Only in Science and industry Lol