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Career Advancement, an NPC Marketplace, and New Capsuleers
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Doomheim
#21 - 2012-06-29 21:53:44 UTC
Thanks for the replies. This thread has had some good discussion. I feel now, in light of how others have explained the situation of the market to me, that an NPC-style marketplace may not be the best idea. Perhaps it is just the fact that the marketplace is such an overwhelming thing as a new EVE player, and that it is hard to find that first foothold as a trader whereby you can plan for success. Obviously there are risks involved, and no-one expects an environment where you must always win.
Nayl Mkoll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-06-29 22:06:33 UTC
there is a npc market....
Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-06-29 22:09:57 UTC
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It would appear that (setting aside Mining, as a profession), a new Capsuleer would almost certainly have to forego less prosperous and accessible professions such as marketing, hauling, courier-contracting, and trading. In order to prosper from the former activities, the Capsuleer would need Skill Points outright in the Industry or Trade groups, and immediate ISK capital in order to perform in the market.


From a practical viewpoint, no newbie is going to have the sort of knowledge about the in-game markets needed to engage in trade that they would need to avoid losing their shirts. Even being able to identify a market need that is too small for the "big guys" to notice is something that is going to take a lot of knowledge about the game.

For example, it is long after you've done the newbie tutorial missions that you would have enough in-game knowledge to know that the Kernite you mine in step 9 of the industrial series (making mountains out of molehills) is something normally only seen in low-sec space and is worth losing the early completion bonus to mine out the asteroid belt and haul all the unrefined ore to market (when you "complete" the mission the belt despawns even if bookmarked or if a buddy is there mining it). The Jita price for Kernite is crazy, and far above what should be the market value of the ore (compare it to the prices of the other versions of kernite). So yes, a newbie could make 5-10M just from that one single mission - if only they knew enough about the in-game economy to realize it. And that is the key - the knowledge of what things are worth to others. You cannot learn those in a tutorial. I only learned this tiny little niche when I was wondering why folks kept trying to outbid my market buy order by .01 isk, then I looked into it.

Newbie tutorial mission list:
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Tutorial_and_Career_Agents_in_Eve
Nayl Mkoll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-06-29 22:26:16 UTC
first off you can jump in and station trade and turn profit with little to know eve knowledge if you understand how any market works and know to look at the tools provided to you. secondly there is an NPC goods market, hence that trade goods that you can learn regional trading with.

Most importantly everyone cant win at trading or there would be no margins. being a trader and manipulating the market in a player run economy requires gray matter in your skull that you cant teach. If you cant play with the big kids trade trade goods to npc regions as those trade goods are seeded by npc stations based on what faction they are, and buy orders are placed by npc's to take those goods. look at the trade good market and you'll see tons of buy orders for the exact same quantity.. those are npcs, you can do very safe (not very profitable but guarneteed profit but low margines) regional trading that way
Nayl Mkoll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-06-29 22:30:57 UTC
Huttan Funaila wrote:
The Jita price for Kernite is crazy, and far above what should be the market value of the ore (compare it to the prices of the other versions of kernite). So yes, a newbie could make 5-10M just from that one single mission - if only they knew enough about the in-game economy to realize it. And that is the key - the knowledge of what things are worth to others. You cannot learn those in a tutorial. I only learned this tiny little niche when I was wondering why folks kept trying to outbid my market buy order by .01 isk, then I looked into it.




people .01isking you is not a product of eve. its a product of a competitve market. Again to engage in the player run economy is to engage in a largely unregulated perfect competition economy.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#26 - 2012-06-30 08:55:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Kara Books
Am I the only one who thinks every one misunderstood the original posters message?

First of all, its friday, OK? lets face it, were all drunk, tired from work and otherwise braindead, I read the original post as,

"it was practically a necessity that a brand new player to EVE Online 'ship-up' in order to survive in the Universe and make ISK."
When I started playing, I saw an armageddon battlship for the first time, I wanted it really badly.

New players should be in aww of the battleships battlecruisers and other cool stuff thats totally new to them, P.S. I LOVE the constant graphics improvements, totally 2012.

"a new Capsuleer would almost certainly have to forego less prosperous and accessible professions such as marketing, hauling, courier-contracting, and trading. In order to prosper from the former activities,


the new player shouldnt focus on one thing, he should explore as much as possible until they find something they like, the trick is to keep them exploring.

"NPC corporations had a foundation in the market. Could an NPC-driven market be introduced as a separate entity to the EVE economy"
It exists, you can buy a 1M transport and start making isk from ---trade goods---Consumer Products"

Ultimately, I saw this thread as a wakeup to CCP to work on the tutorial missions, make sure every single new member can trully be themselves in this huge social experiment.
Working on the market aspect should be 2nd grade, as most new members just want to blow stuff up, while very few want to play the market game, althought, every one does it eventually.


This has bin a drunken message from Books and I mean it.

EDIT:
What was I thinking?
SetrakDark
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-06-30 23:17:19 UTC
This is literally one of the worst ideas I have ever seen.
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Doomheim
#28 - 2012-07-01 15:17:05 UTC
SetrakDark wrote:
This is literally one of the worst ideas I have ever seen.


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