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CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#81 - 2012-06-30 19:02:25 UTC
adam smash wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
BrianOfNazerath wrote:
I am wondering, with the 40 alliances and 50,000 characters that are now poring into delve and the huge fights that should ensue. Is CCP prepared for the stress it will have on their systems? Will Time Dilation be up to the task?
Yes.
Don't lie to us how many reboots did we have this week? LOL

You were not ready for your own patchs.
We have had a couple of unexpected reboots recently to deploy changes to deal with the Factional Warfare Loyalty Point exploit (and one reboot to fix client startup issues for players with Windows usernames in Cyrillic). What has that to do with being prepared for fleetfights in Delve?

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#82 - 2012-06-30 19:14:10 UTC
i dont think this guy was prepared

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2012-06-30 19:23:50 UTC
Explorer, can you put the entire Delve region on a single reinforced node? Or 2?

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#84 - 2012-06-30 19:48:05 UTC
adam smash wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
How so? We have nodes ready for fleetfights, we have a fleefight notification system and we have Time Dilation. But of course we don't have inside information on exactly where and when the next big fight is going to occur, but the fleetfight notification system is exactly intended to share that information with us in confidence.

You don't plan fights like this. The magnitude of a fight is dependent on so many factors it's impossible for anyone to predict far enough in advance for your notification system to be of any use.
And that's why we have Time Dilation. If you can plan then let us know. If you can't plan in such detail to give us specific systems then Time Dilation will keep the fight orderly.
Maybe hot swapping nodes would have been a better waste of time than making lag a feature...

TIDI what a joke. Learn to hotswap the nodes.
Now why didn't I think of this before? I'll be right back, will code this over the weekend...

On a more serious note: Hot swap the nodes to where?

To give you some background: The smallest unit in EVE that can be load balanced is a solarsystem. There are smaller units of activity, such as a grid, but a solarsystem is the smaller load-balancable unit. (Note that the concept of a constellation is simply to make solarsystem load balancing simpler and to add locality to the load balancing; the concept of regions is then a game design feature for the market and also a load balancing unit for the market.)

Once a solarsystem has such activity that it consumes the entire CPU of a node then it can't be cold or hot swapped anywhere since the activity can't be broken down any further. We have in the past few years moved a lot of location-agnostic services off the location nodes, but at this point a node with a single solarsystem is pretty much just running the physics simulation, inventory system, damage tracking and crime watch if outside 0.0, for that solarsystem.

Hence Time Dilation (TiDi). Once the node reaches approx. 80% sustained CPU (with peaks to 100%) TiDi starts to kick in. Instead of having a disorderly slowdown as the node is unable to keep up with requests then we slow down time in an orderly fashion to keep incoming requests at a manageable level, making sure that fight is fair.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2012-06-30 19:50:09 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
BrianOfNazerath wrote:
I am wondering, with the 40 alliances and 50,000 characters that are now poring into delve and the huge fights that should ensue. Is CCP prepared for the stress it will have on their systems? Will Time Dilation be up to the task?
Yes.

Oh explorer,my explorer!

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CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#86 - 2012-06-30 19:53:34 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
CCP Explorer, saying that you are not sure what I am trying to say is a very sub par tactic to evade responsibility.
In the event that you are genuinely confused allow me to elaborate.

The Dev Blog you linked says many things

CCP Explorer wrote:
Sometimes, the strain from all that commerce has been enough to overload the server it runs on, and so we've made a single exception in our "no population caps" rule so that things can remain nice and orderly.

-http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28640

That is a direct quote from the devblog you linked me in this thread. You said you disagreed with me and yet your own words betray your cause for my own.

When you put a population cap on a system you are making it clear that you are NOT ready for more people than what the cap on the population allows. It should come as no surprise to you that the majority of people who wanted to participate in Burn Jita had to "wait in line" for other people in system to leave.

I know you're a good person, most people who work for CCP are; but don't **** on my head and tell me it's raining.
You said that that we were not prepared for Burn Jita and that's not true. We were prepared and as a part of that preparation then we reinforced Jita on our beefiest hardware, set up a schedule for monitoring Burn Jita activity, anticipated to have to fine-tune TiDi parameters (since TiDi was developed and configured/tuned with fleetfights in mind), and decided to keep the already existing population cap on Jita and adjust it if and as needed. Please don't confuse that last part with not being prepared. That decision was an explicit part of the preparation.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#87 - 2012-06-30 19:54:58 UTC
Aryth wrote:
Explorer, can you put the entire Delve region on a single reinforced node? Or 2?
Delve is already on multiple nodes. If you guys can, then please send fleetfight requests for individual systems that you know will be "hot".

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
Bubanni
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2012-06-30 19:56:26 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Explorer, can you put the entire Delve region on a single reinforced node? Or 2?
Delve is already on multiple nodes. If you guys can, then please send fleetfight requests for individual systems that you know will be "hot".


:P CCP Explorer, heads up, theres a fleet fight from last week until between 2-6 weeks into the future

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#89 - 2012-06-30 20:11:08 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:


On a more serious note: Hot swap the nodes to where?



Hot swap a single solar system that unexpectedly has a big fight from a regular node which is running several solar systems to a your beefiest hardware node running just one solar system.

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Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2012-06-30 20:15:30 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Explorer, can you put the entire Delve region on a single reinforced node? Or 2?
Delve is already on multiple nodes. If you guys can, then please send fleetfight requests for individual systems that you know will be "hot".


We are going to try, it's easy with timers, not so easy with all these spur of the moment fleet fights. This many alliances make it a big furball.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Cerebral Wolf
N.A.G.A Too
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#91 - 2012-06-30 20:43:33 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Explorer, can you put the entire Delve region on a single reinforced node? Or 2?
Delve is already on multiple nodes. If you guys can, then please send fleetfight requests for individual systems that you know will be "hot".


Thanks for totally ignoring my previous post about the grid not loading and the client crashing a bunch of times on my first major fleet op and how it's really not setting my exceptions very high for the rest of this war and what you can and will do to stop the issue from happening every single time i join a semi major fleet like it has happened the past couple of fleets i've joined since that post?...
Xenuria
#92 - 2012-06-30 21:12:33 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
CCP Explorer, saying that you are not sure what I am trying to say is a very sub par tactic to evade responsibility.
In the event that you are genuinely confused allow me to elaborate.

The Dev Blog you linked says many things

CCP Explorer wrote:
Sometimes, the strain from all that commerce has been enough to overload the server it runs on, and so we've made a single exception in our "no population caps" rule so that things can remain nice and orderly.

-http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28640

That is a direct quote from the devblog you linked me in this thread. You said you disagreed with me and yet your own words betray your cause for my own.

When you put a population cap on a system you are making it clear that you are NOT ready for more people than what the cap on the population allows. It should come as no surprise to you that the majority of people who wanted to participate in Burn Jita had to "wait in line" for other people in system to leave.

I know you're a good person, most people who work for CCP are; but don't **** on my head and tell me it's raining.
You said that that we were not prepared for Burn Jita and that's not true. We were prepared and as a part of that preparation then we reinforced Jita on our beefiest hardware, set up a schedule for monitoring Burn Jita activity, anticipated to have to fine-tune TiDi parameters (since TiDi was developed and configured/tuned with fleetfights in mind), and decided to keep the already existing population cap on Jita and adjust it if and as needed. Please don't confuse that last part with not being prepared. That decision was an explicit part of the preparation.



So you admit that a population cap was in fact in effect. You may not realize it yet but once again your own words have betrayed you and made my argument stronger. You just blatantly admitted that a population cap WAS IN PLACE on a node that was SUPPOSED to be reinforced with the "beefiest hardware".

Any opportunity you had to save face slipped away when you stepped out of the realm of opinion and said that I was "wrong".
It looks like you got your hands full with this thread as it is. I won't waste any more of my time calling you out on your BS.
I will however say that if the delve war fails because of population caps then you might have to make some changes to the term "sandbox".

Sandbox*

*This sandbox has walls due to hardware limitations and poor allocation of finances.



CSM 12 Candidate
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#93 - 2012-06-30 21:35:59 UTC
Cerebral Wolf wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Explorer, can you put the entire Delve region on a single reinforced node? Or 2?
Delve is already on multiple nodes. If you guys can, then please send fleetfight requests for individual systems that you know will be "hot".


Thanks for totally ignoring my previous post about the grid not loading and the client crashing a bunch of times on my first major fleet op and how it's really not setting my exceptions very high for the rest of this war and what you can and will do to stop the issue from happening every single time i join a semi major fleet like it has happened the past couple of fleets i've joined since that post?...


oh he be mad...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#94 - 2012-06-30 21:47:34 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
You said that that we were not prepared for Burn Jita and that's not true. We were prepared and as a part of that preparation then we reinforced Jita on our beefiest hardware, set up a schedule for monitoring Burn Jita activity, anticipated to have to fine-tune TiDi parameters (since TiDi was developed and configured/tuned with fleetfights in mind), and decided to keep the already existing population cap on Jita and adjust it if and as needed. Please don't confuse that last part with not being prepared. That decision was an explicit part of the preparation.
So you admit that a population cap was in fact in effect. You may not realize it yet but once again your own words have betrayed you and made my argument stronger. You just blatantly admitted that a population cap WAS IN PLACE on a node that was SUPPOSED to be reinforced with the "beefiest hardware".
If you read the devblog http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28640 carefully (and this devblog was published 2012.05.02) then you will note that we spell out openly and in great detail what the Jita population cap was prior to the Burn Jita event and how and why we modified the cap during the event. Please read the section written by CCP Veritas, the part starting at "The event kicked off in the very early morning on Friday, 27 April" and ending at "Sweet spot achieved!". This information is nothing new.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#95 - 2012-06-30 21:54:41 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
I will however say that if the delve war fails because of population caps then you might have to make some changes to the term "sandbox".
Jita is a well-known exception to our general policy of not having population caps on systems. In particular we do not put caps on 0.0 systems when there are fights there.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#96 - 2012-06-30 23:00:32 UTC
I didn't realize this was a thread where CCP Explorer, instead of answering questions, would attempt to dunk on both serious posters and sperglords alike. My mistake.
Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
#97 - 2012-06-30 23:14:00 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
I will however say that if the delve war fails because of population caps then you might have to make some changes to the term "sandbox".
Jita is a well-known exception to our general policy of not having population caps on systems. In particular we do not put caps on 0.0 systems when there are fights there.

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This is just the average moving from the cfc and soco around our staging system.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#98 - 2012-07-01 00:38:19 UTC
Cerebral Wolf wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Explorer, can you put the entire Delve region on a single reinforced node? Or 2?
Delve is already on multiple nodes. If you guys can, then please send fleetfight requests for individual systems that you know will be "hot".


Thanks for totally ignoring my previous post about the grid not loading and the client crashing a bunch of times on my first major fleet op and how it's really not setting my exceptions very high for the rest of this war and what you can and will do to stop the issue from happening every single time i join a semi major fleet like it has happened the past couple of fleets i've joined since that post?...

Grid not loading? The logs show nothing!

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
BrianOfNazerath
A Business Corporation
#99 - 2012-07-01 10:38:14 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
CCP Explorer, saying that you are not sure what I am trying to say is a very sub par tactic to evade responsibility.
In the event that you are genuinely confused allow me to elaborate.

The Dev Blog you linked says many things

CCP Explorer wrote:
Sometimes, the strain from all that commerce has been enough to overload the server it runs on, and so we've made a single exception in our "no population caps" rule so that things can remain nice and orderly.

-http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28640

That is a direct quote from the devblog you linked me in this thread. You said you disagreed with me and yet your own words betray your cause for my own.

When you put a population cap on a system you are making it clear that you are NOT ready for more people than what the cap on the population allows. It should come as no surprise to you that the majority of people who wanted to participate in Burn Jita had to "wait in line" for other people in system to leave.

I know you're a good person, most people who work for CCP are; but don't **** on my head and tell me it's raining.
You said that that we were not prepared for Burn Jita and that's not true. We were prepared and as a part of that preparation then we reinforced Jita on our beefiest hardware, set up a schedule for monitoring Burn Jita activity, anticipated to have to fine-tune TiDi parameters (since TiDi was developed and configured/tuned with fleetfights in mind), and decided to keep the already existing population cap on Jita and adjust it if and as needed. Please don't confuse that last part with not being prepared. That decision was an explicit part of the preparation.



So you admit that a population cap was in fact in effect. You may not realize it yet but once again your own words have betrayed you and made my argument stronger. You just blatantly admitted that a population cap WAS IN PLACE on a node that was SUPPOSED to be reinforced with the "beefiest hardware".

Any opportunity you had to save face slipped away when you stepped out of the realm of opinion and said that I was "wrong".
It looks like you got your hands full with this thread as it is. I won't waste any more of my time calling you out on your BS.
I will however say that if the delve war fails because of population caps then you might have to make some changes to the term "sandbox".

Sandbox*

*This sandbox has walls due to hardware limitations and poor allocation of finances.





Just STFU
Blawrf McTaggart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#100 - 2012-07-01 11:06:54 UTC
CCP Explorer, please find below a list of "hot" systems in Delve and Querious.

0-HDC8
0N-3RO
1-2J4P
1-SMEB
1B-VKF
1DH-SX
1DQ1-A
23G-XC
3-DMQT
319-3D
31X-RE
39P-1J
4K-TRB
4O-239
4X0-8B
5-6QW7
5-CQDA
5BTK-M
6Q-R50
6Z-CKS
7-K6UE
7G-QIG
7UTB-F
8F-TK3
8RQJ-2
8WA-Z6
9GNS-2
9O-8W1
A-ELE2
AJI-MA
C3N-3S
C6Y-ZF
CX8-6K
D-3GIQ
D-W7F0
E3OI-U
F-9PXR
F-TE1T
FM-JK5
FWST-8
G-M5L3
G-TT5V
GY6A-L
HM-XR2
HZAQ-W
I-E3TG
I3Q-II
IP6V-X
J-LPX7
JP4-AA
K-6K16
KBAK-I
KEE-N6
KFIE-Z
LUA5-L
LWX-93
M-SRKS
M0O-JG
M2-XFE
M5-CGW
MJXW-P
MO-GZ5
N-8YET
N8D9-Z
NIDJ-K
NOL-M9
O-IOAI
PDE-U3
PF-KUQ
PR-8CA
PS-94K
PUIG-F
Q-02UL
Q-HESZ
Q-JQSG
QC-YX6
QX-LIJ
QY6-RK
R5-MM8
RCI-VL
RF-K9W
S-6HHN
SVM-3K
T-IPZB
T-J6HT
T-M0FA
T5ZI-S
UEXO-Z
UHKL-N
W-KQPI
Y-OMTZ
Y5C-YD
YAW-7M
YZ9-F6
Z3V-1W
ZA9-PY
ZXB-VC
3B-IWE
4-GJT1
49-U6U
4QZ-2M
5V-BJI
60M-TG
7GCD-P
7V-KHW
8-GE2P
8BO-IH
8ET-D1
8QT-H4
9-HM04
9ES-SI
9NP-KR
9SBB-9
A-5F4A
A-Z7C9
A2-V27
A3-LOG
AO-N1P
B-7DFU
BX-VEX
C-7SBM
C-9RRR
DG-L7S
DS-LO3
E-VKJV
ED-L9T
ES-Q0W
F-NXLQ
F-RA63
F2OY-X
G-3BOG
GOP-GE
H-4R6Z
H-6HGD
H74-B0
I1Y-IU
IGE-NE
K-B8DK
K-JO26
K-L690
K-YI1L
K-Z0V4
K4-RFZ
K7D-II
KEJY-U
L-6BE1
L-6W1J
L-FVHR
L3-I3K
LI-BA0
LNVW-K
LS-V29
M1BZ-2
MKD-O8
MPJW-6
N-M1A3
NDII-Q
NJU-QV
NU4-2G
O3L-95
OGY-6D
P-ZMZV
P4-3TJ
PUB-0R
Q2-N6W
QXQ-I6
QY1E-N
RF-CN3
RKM-GE
SKR-SP
T8H-66
T8T-RA
TV8-HS
U-HYZN
UQY-IK
UVHO-F
UYU-VV
V-3U8T
V-LEKM
VT-G2P
W-IIYI
W-IX39
W6V-VM
XLL-Z7
YB7B-8
YF-6L1
YOP-0T
YQX-7U
YW-SYT
YX-LYK
Z-UZZN
Z-XX2J
ZAU-JW
ZXJ-71