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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#121 - 2012-06-30 10:06:05 UTC
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:


And THAT is EXACTLY why you and gallente WILL lose. As sure as the sun comes up and bears pee on trees.

You are busy oogling KBs while you make love to yourself, while we are fighting a WAR.

You are concerned about "Player versus Player" convinced that what, exactly?? A purty KBs gives you certain rights? Like winning a war? Not . All that means is you blew some crap up. Kids with firecrackers blow stuff up. We are Not impressed..
Like I said, one side is fighting a war, and the other is looking for medeivil jousts.Have your jousts buddy. I'll have fun winning the War.


Silly me, focussing on 'Player vs Player' in 'Everyone vs Everyone' lol. Really i should put my subs in and spend all month avoiding other players, orbit buttons and farm isk and docking rights to 'win' a 'war' lol. We spent the llast few months before the patch in a state of 'win'. It was boring as ****.

You are a role player and cant see a bigger picture beyond the easiest and risk free way to cause a hindrance to your enemy with the silly PvE methods ccp have short-sightedly given you, i understand that. What i dont understand is why ccp made it possible for lots of PvP averse people such as yourself have been given the primary role in this war.
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#122 - 2012-06-30 12:16:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanaka Sekigahara
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:


And THAT is EXACTLY why you and gallente WILL lose. As sure as the sun comes up and bears pee on trees.

You are busy oogling KBs while you make love to yourself, while we are fighting a WAR.

You are concerned about "Player versus Player" convinced that what, exactly?? A purty KBs gives you certain rights? Like winning a war? Not . All that means is you blew some crap up. Kids with firecrackers blow stuff up. We are Not impressed..
Like I said, one side is fighting a war, and the other is looking for medeivil jousts.Have your jousts buddy. I'll have fun winning the War.


Silly me, focussing on 'Player vs Player' in 'Everyone vs Everyone' lol. Really i should put my subs in and spend all month avoiding other players, orbit buttons and farm isk and docking rights to 'win' a 'war' lol. We spent the llast few months before the patch in a state of 'win'. It was boring as ****.

You are a role player and cant see a bigger picture beyond the easiest and risk free way to cause a hindrance to your enemy with the silly PvE methods ccp have short-sightedly given you, i understand that. What i dont understand is why ccp made it possible for lots of PvP averse people such as yourself have been given the primary role in this war.

I'm not a role player at all, I don't know what you re on about.Well, I do, you are just trolling at this point,Guess thats what one has to resort to when one is losing. I'm on to you, Spaiboy.

Keep whining...
Commissar Veldt
Progressive State
#123 - 2012-06-30 12:57:25 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:

As for the bunker busts, something like 9 bunkers were bust last night in the AU tz. That tz we have a grand total of zero corps to cover. Well done. lol



This argument isnt really valid anymore since systems are usually vulnerable for a few days at least before the bunker is hit. This means that all timezones have at least a few days to put system back into contested. If that hasnt been done then its only down to the defending militia not willing to put the time in to run defensives. Some systems have been vulnerable for nearly a week before they have been captured so you cant say you didnt have chance to defend because of timezone issues.

Anyway, congratulations to all who worked towards and cashed in nicely on T4. Enjoy the fruits of your labour!
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#124 - 2012-06-30 14:49:53 UTC
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:


And THAT is EXACTLY why you and gallente WILL lose. As sure as the sun comes up and bears pee on trees.

You are busy oogling KBs while you make love to yourself, while we are fighting a WAR.

You are concerned about "Player versus Player" convinced that what, exactly?? A purty KBs gives you certain rights? Like winning a war? Not . All that means is you blew some crap up. Kids with firecrackers blow stuff up. We are Not impressed..
Like I said, one side is fighting a war, and the other is looking for medeivil jousts.Have your jousts buddy. I'll have fun winning the War.


Silly me, focussing on 'Player vs Player' in 'Everyone vs Everyone' lol. Really i should put my subs in and spend all month avoiding other players, orbit buttons and farm isk and docking rights to 'win' a 'war' lol. We spent the llast few months before the patch in a state of 'win'. It was boring as ****.

You are a role player and cant see a bigger picture beyond the easiest and risk free way to cause a hindrance to your enemy with the silly PvE methods ccp have short-sightedly given you, i understand that. What i dont understand is why ccp made it possible for lots of PvP averse people such as yourself have been given the primary role in this war.

I'm not a role player at all, I don't know what you re on about.Well, I do, you are just trolling at this point,Guess thats what one has to resort to when one is losing. I'm on to you, Spaiboy.

Keep whining...


Im not losing anything, and you clearly are role playing. And since you seem to measure your success in how much isk you can make then i think you will find im far from beat lol.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#125 - 2012-06-30 15:46:36 UTC
Commissar Veldt wrote:
This argument isnt really valid anymore since systems are usually vulnerable for a few days at least before the bunker is hit. This means that all timezones have at least a few days to put system back into contested.

We were working endlessly trying to de-vulnerablize those vulnerable systems. Your afk plexing alts are just better at this game than us.
Sominus Nexus
Guldan Age Stories
Federation Front Line
#126 - 2012-06-30 17:00:42 UTC
I'll give a congrats to the Caldari here....They earned it. I think as others have stated, we are fighting a different war. A lot of Gal Mil is completely content to PvP exclusively, while The Caldari are focused on plexing. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out over the next few months.
Peteris G
Ophidia in herba
#127 - 2012-06-30 17:35:53 UTC
Actually I think it will be ok. Bad sides in current FW system in my opinion is overstated. Lets imagine that gallente will have only one system left. That will mean that:
1) There is no big plex farming possibilities for Caldari any more (what good is tier 5 if You can't earn LP at good rate?).
2) Gallente will get excellent plex farming possibilities.
3) All gallente PvPers will be concentrated in that system and all caldari who will want to farm plexes or shoot gallente will be going there so gallente will get their most wished, best possible dream come true - faceshooting that delivered to their door on silver platter.
4) taking of that last system will be ... lets say problematic since it will have 23/7 full gallente millitia protection coverage.

So eventually counterweights that is in-built in this system will kick in and screams "FW will dieee! We all will diee!" Is slightly bit over emotional reaction.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#128 - 2012-06-30 18:39:11 UTC
Peteris G wrote:
Actually I think it will be ok....

Except for ...

CCP being lying bastards who said they were removing occupancy when what they really did was rename it to 'sovereignty' and slapping a hidden flag onto the actual sovereignty.

Missions yield 2-3x the LP/Hr that one can get from plexing (even with alt+main you are making better ISK/LP), difference is that it is not as AFK friendly, but they go not to hostile systems but rather systems that were originally hostile (ie. above mentioned "actual sovereignty"). Since missions in 'friendly' systems are about as safe as one can get with enemy being denied docking farmers will merely go back to their previous ISK teat as plexing availability dwindles.

If CCP really wanted a "counter-weight", then they would have removed occupancy for real and had the mechanics only allow missions to spawn in hostile systems.

FW has become the greatest farm in Eve history .. since that neither was nor is the intended or desired (at least not officially) outcome, it is no longer a case of "FW is dying!" but rather "It is dead, bring the paddles".
Only question is if CCP manages to mend it before the farmer population (which has grown immensely!) reaches the critical levels that will cause eMag and Jita ****-storms at the mere mention of change.
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#129 - 2012-06-30 19:19:49 UTC
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:

I'm not a role player at all, I don't know what you re on about.Well, I do, you are just trolling at this point,Guess thats what one has to resort to when one is losing. I'm on to you, Spaiboy.

Keep whining...

Hahahahahahahahaha
The moment you mentioned "winning the war" you showed that you're role playing.
This is a game, man.
There is no real war.
It doesn't exist.
What it is is a mechanic to get people to do something and encourage them to interact with the GAME world.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Peteris G
Ophidia in herba
#130 - 2012-06-30 20:15:42 UTC
Veshta Yoshida wrote:


Only question is if CCP manages to mend it before the farmer population (which has grown immensely!) reaches the critical levels that will cause eMag and Jita ****-storms at the mere mention of change.



I would like to disagree that raised amount of farmers i bad (of course since I am one of them I might not be precisely independent but still):
People in lowsec gets more targets
CCP gets ISK sink.
Industrialists get more buyers (for example You need scorp to get navy scorp from LP store).
And of course money flow worms up economy :)

It looks for me that everybody should be happy Blink
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#131 - 2012-06-30 20:33:00 UTC
Peteris G wrote:

People in lowsec gets more targets


It looks for me that everybody should be happy Blink
They actually don't, though.
What they get are people who run at the mere hint of trouble.
Which, if you're playing this game with limited time (lunch break at work or whatever) and you see a guy in a plex... you don't want to waste some of your precious time going after somebody who's not going to fight you.

There's nothing to induce happiness in that situation from the stand point of the enemy. The guy's pushing it closer to evicting you out of your home (which I've always thought was a ****** idea) and there's nothing you can do about it because as soon as you show up on d-scan at the gate, he warps off to a safe. It's a boring, uneventful scenario.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#132 - 2012-07-01 14:18:57 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Now im sure there are some bitter extreme roleplayers (naming no names) that would love to log on and not see a single wt all day. But that is not good for FW or EVE as a whole.


Lock Out from Sotf you mean?
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#133 - 2012-07-01 16:17:42 UTC
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
Peteris G wrote:
Actually I think it will be ok....

Except for ...

CCP being lying bastards who said they were removing occupancy when what they really did was rename it to 'sovereignty' and slapping a hidden flag onto the actual sovereignty.

Missions yield 2-3x the LP/Hr that one can get from plexing (even with alt+main you are making better ISK/LP), difference is that it is not as AFK friendly, but they go not to hostile systems but rather systems that were originally hostile (ie. above mentioned "actual sovereignty"). Since missions in 'friendly' systems are about as safe as one can get with enemy being denied docking farmers will merely go back to their previous ISK teat as plexing availability dwindles.

If CCP really wanted a "counter-weight", then they would have removed occupancy for real and had the mechanics only allow missions to spawn in hostile systems.

FW has become the greatest farm in Eve history .. since that neither was nor is the intended or desired (at least not officially) outcome, it is no longer a case of "FW is dying!" but rather "It is dead, bring the paddles".
Only question is if CCP manages to mend it before the farmer population (which has grown immensely!) reaches the critical levels that will cause eMag and Jita ****-storms at the mere mention of change.


I dont even do faction warfare and I can see how full of **** you are.

Im honestly surprised you still think its worth you posting anything, what with you having jack **** to do with facwar for over three months now. You can whine as much as you like but the system isnt going away no matter how much you cry about it.

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome
Hurtado Soneka
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#134 - 2012-07-01 22:47:21 UTC
Id say congrats but i didnt even get to see T4 Evil it was knocked out so quickly, whoever is saying the gals dont do their share of offensive plexing is full of ****. Also caldari lp farmers who dont fit guns can go and suck a ****, theres nothing more galling than asking for backup when an AF drops into your plex you fancy taking on but your 'comrade' either tells you hes not gonna fight or straight up just ignores you.

Theres far too much trolling in this thread, I agree its a decent acheivement hitting T4 but it would be a much more impressive one to maintain it, on the same note Id like to thank my gallente adversaries for their defensive plexing, it keeps it interesting but remember if you outgun me too much expect spam in local and a race around every planet in the system.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#135 - 2012-07-02 14:31:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Sominus Nexus wrote:
I'll give a congrats to the Caldari here....They earned it. I think as others have stated, we are fighting a different war. A lot of Gal Mil is completely content to PvP exclusively, while The Caldari are focused on plexing. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out over the next few months.


It's actually the same type of war as it was, except now you get lp. It's the same old problem. It's still pve, so its still lolfw.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815