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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#181 - 2012-06-30 10:53:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Tippia wrote:
I'm a master of something somewhat related, but completely different, which leads me to make these arguments with a fair amount of conviction. Can you guess what it is?


You're pirate who knows how paper thin mining barges are and of course you want to make sure your superior advantage is superior in the future too.

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…oh, and no, you can't MWD while cloaked


Yes, it does. You just don't know how things work in this game.

You can test it yourself. For example after jumping to new system, start aligning and active cloak immediately. After your cloaking device activates you have small amount of time to still use your other modules like MWD for example. MWD stays on until your capacitor dosen't have enough juice to power it or you deactivate it.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#182 - 2012-06-30 10:58:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
You're pirate
Incorrect.

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Yes, it does.
Nope, unless you exploit some nifty bug (which would be bad for you and you probably shouldn't post them and admit to using them like in public like that). Either way, you still expose yourself to your target, which tips him off. So no, your tactic doesn't work.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#183 - 2012-06-30 11:07:03 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Nope, unless you exploit some nifty bug (which would be bad for you). Either way, you still expose yourself to your target, which tips him off. So no, your tactic doesn't work.


So you don't have any idea of how things work in this game.

And it takes ~2 second to decloak and recloak. If I look at local list and try to find potential threats do you really think I would notice that one +5 sec char decloaking/recloaking? And if it's just someone who wants to test their new ship?
Pipa Porto
#184 - 2012-06-30 11:21:09 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Nope, unless you exploit some nifty bug (which would be bad for you). Either way, you still expose yourself to your target, which tips him off. So no, your tactic doesn't work.


So you don't have any idea of how things work in this game.

And it takes ~2 second to decloak and recloak. If I look at local list and try to find potential threats do you really think I would notice that one +5 sec char decloaking/recloaking? And if it's just someone who wants to test their new ship?


Ever heard of a recloaking delay?

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You can test it yourself. For example after jumping to new system, start aligning and active cloak immediately. After your cloaking device activates you have small amount of time to still use your other modules like MWD for example. MWD stays on until your capacitor dosen't have enough juice to power it or you deactivate it.


We're talking about bumping ships. How does turning on your MWD during the tick you cloak (Hint: That's what's happening there) help you bump a ship in a Belt? You're still an uncloaked ship showing up in the belt. Even assuming the miner misses that, you're slow again as soon as the MWD cycles.


Now were's that 2km/s Cloaked ship, and the 6 remaining 80k EHP cruisers you promised us?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#185 - 2012-06-30 11:29:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
So you don't have any idea of how things work in this game.
You're confusing me with you again. For instance…

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And it takes ~2 exactly 5 second[s] to decloak and recloak.
5 seconds is plenty, and that's only if you're in the right ship with the right cloak. It's 30s for everything else…

So no, you tactic (still) doesn't actually work for a number of reasons.

Anyway, I won't bother to explain to you how and why the mwd-cloak trick works, since Ruby already spilled the beans. If you want more details, you can still ask, though.
Breezly Brewin
Vril Metaphysics Society
#186 - 2012-06-30 17:00:51 UTC
Alaya Carrier wrote:
Did not think it was possible to cram so much bad posting and suggestions in one thread.

Glad we have the "I circumvent forum ban and keep my main in my signature to show it off" guy plus the "I am denser than Angela Merkel" other forum white knights to help us accomplish that.


Let me give a real useful suggestions to miners: mining is a "numbers over time" game. You plan profitability by taking losses as cost of business. With basic precautions you can happily mine in actual useful setups raking in far more profits than losses due to ganks.

If you are so adverse to ever lose a mining ship, then play Asteroids, not EvE.


this x 10
Garresh
Mackies Raiders
Wild Geese.
#187 - 2012-06-30 17:18:58 UTC
I used to bump botters in ice belts for sharts and giggles. Smart players noticed me and positioned themselves such that the asteroids provided them with protection. In ice belts, you can stay aligned and still be positioned nestled in between several large ice roids. In regular belts, you can use your strip miners to clear out small windows between asteroids, and then mine from the most distant asteroids in towards yourself, creating a small bump-bunker. Also, if someone is approaching on a bump vector they're gonna be pretty obvious. Your idea is wrong. Bumping is actually very easy to counter.

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Alaya Carrier
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#188 - 2012-06-30 17:40:20 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
She has a Corp History, I have a Corp History (well, my main, as linked in sig does). You don't. Posting for other people to post with your main while you refuse to makes you look like you have your pants on your head..


Why she doesn't have any KB history? Why master of killing doesn't have any kills?


She's not master of killing, just master of self liking with alts like it makes his arguments less pedantic Blink
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#189 - 2012-06-30 18:45:27 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
[or hit 2km/s cloaked without MWD).


My covops can.


I want to see this fit because my cov-ops cannot do this. Its also not a good idea to call out tippia unless you have some sort of evidence as you will only look even more stupid than you already have done.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#190 - 2012-06-30 18:58:31 UTC
Minmatar Freedom wrote:
Colliding with ships to knock them out of alignment for warping, otherwise known as "bumping." At present there is no defense against this in EVE.
...
TLDR: You cant protect against bumping.

Webs.
Gorinia Sanford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#191 - 2012-06-30 19:05:05 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
You might want to talk to James315 about that.

He's been extorting ice miners (long cycle, has to finish) by threatening to bump. Supposedly, he's made 100mil between starting and his first post about it.


Yeah, I read that post.

However, James315 strikes me as a tool, along the lines of some who decry others for playing the sandbox in a way this disapprove of. If I want to mine ice, I'll do it somewhere else other than Halaimia (or whatever you call that system) and avoid him.
Pipa Porto
#192 - 2012-06-30 20:43:56 UTC
Gorinia Sanford wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
You might want to talk to James315 about that.

He's been extorting ice miners (long cycle, has to finish) by threatening to bump. Supposedly, he's made 100mil between starting and his first post about it.


Yeah, I read that post.

However, James315 strikes me as a tool, along the lines of some who decry others for playing the sandbox in a way this disapprove of. If I want to mine ice, I'll do it somewhere else other than Halaimia (or whatever you call that system) and avoid him.



Look at that. A miner willing to adapt. Brava, Brava.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#193 - 2012-06-30 20:55:29 UTC
I can't wait for the mining barge overhaul to happen. It will be hilarious to see miners continuing to whine like babies after CCP has gone out of their way to give them a heavily tanked barge, "But! But my yield!!"

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#194 - 2012-06-30 20:56:23 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
I'm a master of something somewhat related, but completely different, which leads me to make these arguments with a fair amount of conviction. Can you guess what it is?


You're pirate who knows how paper thin mining barges are and of course you want to make sure your superior advantage is superior in the future too.

Quote:
…oh, and no, you can't MWD while cloaked


Yes, it does. You just don't know how things work in this game.

You can test it yourself. For example after jumping to new system, start aligning and active cloak immediately. After your cloaking device activates you have small amount of time to still use your other modules like MWD for example. MWD stays on until your capacitor dosen't have enough juice to power it or you deactivate it.


I underlined the point at which your logic train leapt the tracks and plunged into the chasm of fail.

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Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#195 - 2012-06-30 20:58:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarsus Zateki
Ranger 1 wrote:

I underlined the point at which your logic train leapt the tracks and plunged into the chasm of fail.


Not to mention the fact that your MWD won't stay on until you cap out. It will work for one cycle and turn off.

This is the reason the "MWD Trick" works when you want to warp nearly risk free off a gate camp. It could technically work for miners as well now that I think about it. If they setup in an area with no objects or debris close enough to disable their cloaking device you could in fact pull off the MWD Trick to spoil a gank.

Of course none of the miners that complain about being ganked would do it because the cloak would take up a strip miner slot.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#196 - 2012-06-30 21:01:26 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

I underlined the point at which your logic train leapt the tracks and plunged into the chasm of fail.


Not to mention the fact that your MWD won't stay on until you cap out. It will work for one cycle and turn off.

That's what I said, in my own special way... Smile

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Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#197 - 2012-06-30 21:03:26 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

I underlined the point at which your logic train leapt the tracks and plunged into the chasm of fail.


Not to mention the fact that your MWD won't stay on until you cap out. It will work for one cycle and turn off.

That's what I said, in my own special way... Smile


Its not enough to merely point out that they're idiots. We have to tell them exactly why they're are idiots so that other people who are not familiar with these mechanics can join us in mocking these morons.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Pipa Porto
#198 - 2012-06-30 21:04:09 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
I'm a master of something somewhat related, but completely different, which leads me to make these arguments with a fair amount of conviction. Can you guess what it is?


You're pirate who knows how paper thin mining barges are and of course you want to make sure your superior advantage is superior in the future too.

Quote:
…oh, and no, you can't MWD while cloaked


Yes, it does. You just don't know how things work in this game.

You can test it yourself. For example after jumping to new system, start aligning and active cloak immediately. After your cloaking device activates you have small amount of time to still use your other modules like MWD for example. MWD stays on until your capacitor dosen't have enough juice to power it or you deactivate it.


I underlined the point at which your logic train leapt the tracks and plunged into the chasm of fail.


I didn't immediately notice that.

Holy Failure Batman. I think Jorma may actually never log into EvE, instead only using EFT (because EFT allows you to have a prop mod and cloak active at the same time)

So, Jorma, gonna post the 2km/s Cloaked ship and 6 more 80k EHP cruisers yet?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#199 - 2012-06-30 21:32:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Of course none of the miners that complain about being ganked would do it because the cloak would take up a strip miner slot.


So cute! Pvper thinks that miners don't have combat skills. That's just so cute!
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#200 - 2012-06-30 21:35:20 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Of course none of the miners that complain about being ganked would do it because the cloak would take up a strip miner slot.


So cute! Pvper thinks that miners don't have combat skills. That's just so cute!


Given your ignorance about how cloaks interact with other modules, I would be right. Also the fact that out of the hundreds of barges Goonswarm has killed, none of them has sacrificed a Strip Miner for something that would let them survive more effectively.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.