Player Features and Ideas Discussion

NOTE: added additional ideas + fixed some not too good ones =)

Hello there =)


Not sure if this topic was discussed before (too lazy to actually seach though the 200+ pages of ideas xD), but lets get down to the idea:

Basically where ever you go, most of the time you bump into these small to huge floating debris, damaged ships, rusted and abandoned stations, broken station parts, ect. that are occupying most of the missions sites.
You can target them, but do nothing with them actually.

So why not use them if they are there already ?
I'm mining a lot and doing a lot salvage runs and it occoured to me that these abandoned debris could be easily used up:

It could be made as a mission type like exploration, so explorers would finally have a missioning on their own. It could be did the same as security missions with different agents lvl 1-5. To make it more then just a silly radar/magnet site copy, it could use a mini-game of puzzle solving to let you enter to the next room.
In the final room, you encounter these freaking huge abandoned stations, debris, ect. that you could explore.
Some people mentioned that the Marines, scientists and other people you can loot from cans dont have any particular use.
Well it would be interesting if you could use them up here too =)

But basically you could use these station wrecks for the following:

1. Salvage: it would need either more runs to "empty" it fully (depending on size) or if its big enough, could have sub-target parts that can be targeted separatly and salvaged or use archeology on them perhaps.

2. Archeology: You could find some interesting BPO/BPC, or special BPs that give a minor permanent boost to manufacture time/mineral needed/ect. to certain ship/equipment blueprint. It could be "learned" the same way as skillbooks.

3. "Mining": After you used salvage/archeology on the debris, you could "mine" it for additional materials the station wreck is made up of. The husk of the station could be stripped apart and similar to rigs, could produce materials to build ships (introduces another method of ship building aside of the mineral type one).

It would be lovely to see this implemented as a new way of salvage materials, since, lets face it: the current salvage/archeology is kinda bleak and one sided.
Either way, I think those indestructable/non-salvageable old debris could be used up since they are there anyway.
Not too much programming would needed to use salvaging/archeoligy on them. And with a new mining turret type, you could mine these small-to-huge space debris. Since we already have one for mining, gas and ice, I think something as ORE or minmatars would definitely want to aquire free loot =) Heck we already have the Noctis, a salvage duty ship with all the goodies, it would need little brain to change it for this type of mission run's purpuse ^^

It could be also linked with:
- Research --- you could find BPO/BPC, or special BPs for certain ship/equipment, that you can learn, just like skill, that would add a permanent boost to the manufature time/mineral need/ect
- Archeology --- same deal with salvage, some new playground for this and it would actually FEEL like I'm looking though some ruins for clues of the old races and stuff
- Facttion Loot --- different places could hold different level of Faction Drops, depending on how good your skills are in salvage/archeology
- Exploration --- as mentioned above, new playground
- Combat --- the guardians of these places could differ with hisec, lowsec and null, similar to agent mission difficulty
- Mining --- as mentioned, it could also be "mined" for the materials these structures are built up with
- Possible mini-game --- like puzzle solving and such to make archeology/hacking/salvage a bit more chellenging and actually interesting ^^


Post your thoughts =)
*puts on flame-proof jacket*

Actually, most of the debris you encounter in missions are not that old. True I've seen a rusted and totally stripped caldari station wreck, but most of the other smaller and bigger things are destroyed not too recently.
Sometimes you can still see some green/blue gascloud(?) leaking from the debris thats left after the explosion perhaps ?

Good point tho, that its already be salvaged and looted. However, the fact still remains, that the structure elements still could be salvaged and re-used, since the debris is still intact (mostly stripped of all electronics and all smaller movable items xD)

Actually this could bring salvage a bit more literal and interesting role then just salvaging rats and mission mobs 24/7 + the occasional pvp kills x) + it could have a higher chance to drop faction loot for example?
Also a new toy for explorers too if this happens to be placed in an anomaly like Grav sites do already =)
And it can be guarded also ^^
Well technically its a ... mining mission type perhaps ? Or just would be similar to exploration plex sites? =)

Well yeah, it can be used as an exploration mission type :D
Either way it would be lovely to see this implemented as a new way of salvage materials, since, lets face it: the current salvage is kinda bleak and one sided. Heck we already have the Noctis, a salvage duty ship with all the goodies ^^

It could be also linked with:
- Research --- you could find BPO/BPC, or special BPs for certain ship/equipment, that you can learn, just like skill, that would add a permanent boost to the manufature time/mineral need/ect
- Archeology --- same deal with salvage, some new playground for this and it would actually FEEL like I'm looking though some ruins for clues of the old races and stuff
- Facttion Loot --- different places could hold different level of Faction Drops, depending on how good your skills are in salvage/archeology
- Exploration --- as mentioned above, new playground
- Combat --- the guardians of these places could differ with hisec, lowsec and null, similar to agent mission difficulty
- Mining --- as mentioned, it could also be "mined" for the materials these structures are built up with
- Possible mini-game --- like puzzle solving and such to make archeology/hacking/salvage a bit more chellenging and actually interesting ^^

I highly doubt this would be confused with existing mission types, anymore than courier is mixed up with security.

Existing exploring aspects along with existing mission aspects don't need to be affected by this at all.

Enough people like exploring to want to see what's around the next corner. Throw in a good story, and you appeal to players in a whole new way.

Actually, making missions like "Go to X System and scan down the site and go in and gather the stuff inside" wont really kill the fun of exploration, since you still need to pinpoint the site via scanning. The only "restricting" factor would be that the system would be named :P You still need to find it xD

Giving options is not a bad thing in my opinion. And I think Exploration could use some little love, especially salvage/archeology/hacking, since they have little playgrounds where we can use them actually ^^;
Just because an agent pinpoints a system where you'd need to locate a place where you need to do stuff, wont really kill the fun of exploration. It is optional idea anyway. Not mandatory.

Some people would love story and versatility put into the exploring not just "Yeeey I found my 12389736899th Radar site, and I already know what npcs/rewards awaiting me inside!". Its a little bit bleak ^^;
If you want you could still do only exploration via the old way. I just made a topic about how could it be a bit more interesting and rewarding then currently is.

What you seem to be asking for is just missions with exploration loot tables, mags and radars etc.

This isn't exploration, and I'd prefer if mission bots runners kept their grubby mits off my loot.

Reading an interesting back story.

The providence of an item gives it meaning. Knowing the item sells for a small fortune because of people wanting to possess a piece of history.

Otherwise it is only an arbitrary number from a random table of potential spawns on a timer. Sure, that's what it might be on the server, but we like the illusion of spaceships flying on exciting and meaningful adventures.

We play the game for fun. For many, this is what fun means.

So what's the difference between this and new exploration sites?


Well if you don't like the idea of missions, surely you could just do exploration? Why does it need to come in mission form?


So your complaint with exploration seems to be that it is combat oriented, yet want to "add" to it with combat oriented mission exploration sites?

By the sounds of it, these sites you propose are exactly the same. If you want some kind of story, try running the escalation sites?