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What are "Bittervets", bitter about?
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Galadriel Vasquez
Project Omega Industries
Fraternity.
#21 - 2011-10-08 11:01:32 UTC
Mistress Terrify wrote:
The only MMOs that survive are the ones that change, develop, and add stuff. Eve undoubtable is the most successful MMO by these standards.
But for resons that escape me, changes are always met with great hostililty by a vocal minority (no matter what the game, no matter how good the change is)
I guess that they just don't like change, and powerless to stop it - vent spleen and vile in every forum they can.



Spot on. People are creatures of habit. Change is bad m'kay?

EVE Online is the best MMO on the market for its innovation and updates. You cannot please all of the people all of the time.

I have tin foil hat trained to 5.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2011-10-08 11:32:45 UTC
Galadriel Vasquez wrote:
Mistress Terrify wrote:
The only MMOs that survive are the ones that change, develop, and add stuff. Eve undoubtable is the most successful MMO by these standards.
But for resons that escape me, changes are always met with great hostililty by a vocal minority (no matter what the game, no matter how good the change is)
I guess that they just don't like change, and powerless to stop it - vent spleen and vile in every forum they can.



Spot on. People are creatures of habit. Change is bad m'kay?

EVE Online is the best MMO on the market for its innovation and updates. You cannot please all of the people all of the time.



tbh my issue is not about changes. I'm one of those "bitter vets" that watched Incarna as a new avenue of content that could tie in with FiS, together with nice stuff that would provide this game, the "sci-fi simulator" that the devs want it to be.


the issue I have is that CCP nearly every time that implemented a change, it did it half-assedly and incomplete. Case in point, Incarna, which was a failure not because of Incarna itself, but when they deployed it it felt that they spent 5 years just to make a rusty cubicle.


so no, it's not the change, but the way CCP makes the changes.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#23 - 2011-10-08 11:35:07 UTC
…increasingly, it's about how clueless bittern00bs think it's about resistance to change.
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2011-10-08 11:41:59 UTC
Tippia wrote:
…increasingly, it's about how clueless bittern00bs think it's about resistance to change.


The great thing about bittern00bs is that most of them eventually leave, and almost all the ones that stay eventually realise that the bittervets were right all along.

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To mare
Advanced Technology
#25 - 2011-10-08 12:07:43 UTC
the lack of new good development on the game
Russell Casey
Doomheim
#26 - 2011-10-08 12:24:27 UTC
Dirk Magnum wrote:
Alts, and the ISK diarrhea they generate. That's my problem, anyway. Nobody agrees with me though Sad


Yo!
Rhaegor Stormborn
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2011-10-08 12:34:35 UTC
Neglect in fixing broken and unbalanced stuff. Heavy handed overdone nerfs or incredibly unbalanced buffs, which are then left that way for years before fixing. Failed promises and commitments many times over many years. Implementing half finished poorly made content which is never iterated on. Remembering how much more difficult and meaningful the game was back before everything was readily available and easy to get. Jump bridges, Jump Freighters, Plex, Bots, Incarna.

The list goes on and on, but the above is a large part of it. Things you expected to be fixed years ago still not being addressed is a rough one. Just wait until you have played for 5 or 6 years and the same **** is still broken that has annoyed you forever and see if you don't get a wee bit bitter.
Martyr Theos
The NecroMonger Faith
#28 - 2011-10-08 13:14:27 UTC
Jenell Sevidon wrote:
The problem is that CCP adresses game balance, which is crucial for a pvp game with the speed of a glacier. Balancing is something that needs constant attention and possibly adjustment but with CCP it seems they look at things only once every few years or so.

0.0 and how the situation evolved there is an example. People have warned for years of the capital ship and supercapital blobs. Moongoo-balance was another thing. Now alliances get rich by just owning space and without actively using their space. Billions are made with POS on high end moons while the rest of the space is effectivly abandoned.

And the corrupt CSM wants 0.0 to be the only source of high end minerals which will take even more away from the average player to give it to the alliances bot farms.



THIS is the essence of bitterness. For those who don't understand the why of B.V. Syndrome... re-read the above.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#29 - 2011-10-08 13:25:24 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Life. The Universe. Everything.


42! Theyre bitter about 42!

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#30 - 2011-10-08 13:28:33 UTC
Martyr Theos wrote:
Jenell Sevidon wrote:
The problem is that CCP adresses game balance, which is crucial for a pvp game with the speed of a glacier. Balancing is something that needs constant attention and possibly adjustment but with CCP it seems they look at things only once every few years or so.

0.0 and how the situation evolved there is an example. People have warned for years of the capital ship and supercapital blobs. Moongoo-balance was another thing. Now alliances get rich by just owning space and without actively using their space. Billions are made with POS on high end moons while the rest of the space is effectivly abandoned.

And the corrupt CSM wants 0.0 to be the only source of high end minerals which will take even more away from the average player to give it to the alliances bot farms.



THIS is the essence of bitterness. For those who don't understand the why of B.V. Syndrome... re-read the above.


THIS is why the CSM needs to be disbanded imo. When you look at the numbers on how big that 0.0 allaince is that Goonswarm is a part of, you start to realize that if everyone in high sec did vote against Mittens, what 69% of pod pilots are in their alliance now?

Not even just that, no CSM that is in a 0.0 corp is ever going to do anything but promote their agenda. Whats sad is that Hilmar sees this as a good thing.

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Ghoest
#31 - 2011-10-08 13:32:35 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Neglect.


This.

EVE was never perfect but we all remember back to when CCP kept trying to make it better bothe by adding cool new stuff and by addressing old issues..

Then CCP stopped trying to improve the game and we became bitter.

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#32 - 2011-10-08 13:34:50 UTC
Jenell Sevidon wrote:
The problem is that CCP adresses game balance, which is crucial for a pvp game with the speed of a glacier. Balancing is something that needs constant attention and possibly adjustment but with CCP it seems they look at things only once every few years or so.

0.0 and how the situation evolved there is an example. People have warned for years of the capital ship and supercapital blobs. Moongoo-balance was another thing. Now alliances get rich by just owning space and without actively using their space. Billions are made with POS on high end moons while the rest of the space is effectivly abandoned.

And the corrupt CSM wants 0.0 to be the only source of high end minerals which will take even more away from the average player to give it to the alliances bot farms.

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Citizen of Solitude
Written Word
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2011-10-08 13:35:15 UTC
As if people need a reason to ship toast
Cozmik R5
Chez Stan
#34 - 2011-10-08 15:19:39 UTC
Dirk Magnum wrote:
Alts, and the ISK diarrhea they generate. That's my problem, anyway. Nobody agrees with me though Sad


Wrong. I happen to agree very strongly. Too many people care more about ISK than about the actual game. I prefer being poor and having fun than being rich and boring myself to tears.

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Igualmentedos
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2011-10-08 16:30:42 UTC
At what point does a player become veteran?
Jerk Marketeer
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#36 - 2011-10-08 16:33:04 UTC
They play the game for years until they're tired of it, and yet can't seem to quit. So they're bitter and cranky. I've seen it in other games, and it almost always seem to be something like that.
EVE Stig
Doomheim
#37 - 2011-10-08 16:34:53 UTC
Igualmentedos wrote:
At what point does a player become veteran?


around when you get burnout, go away a few months then come back, rinse and repeat about two times, maybe three an you should be good lol

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Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2011-10-08 16:37:55 UTC
because a once epic game that had its issues was fun, CCP stopped caring about what the players wanted and pursued some vision that isnt even technically possible at this point in time, wait a ew years CCP then try again.
Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris
#39 - 2011-10-08 16:38:48 UTC
Alaizabel Bronstein wrote:
they are bitter over realizing that they have become emotionally overinvested in a computer-game (that they have very little control about)

this.

for some people, being a vet equates to having become emotionally invested in EvE by virtue of having played it so long. When things change in a way that doesn't suit them, they freak out a little and stomp their feet and cry and cry and cry.

having been here 6 years or so, I would consider myself a vet. remembering this is just a game and it's completely beyond my control and if I don't like it my only choice is to cancel my subscription prevents me becoming bitter.
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#40 - 2011-10-08 17:19:11 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Life. The Universe. Everything.


I do try.

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