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CCP: "Griefing" policy question
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Zain Andreas
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#61 - 2011-10-08 10:51:11 UTC
Dear The Apostle,

Your posting is causing me much grief. If you do not stop in the next twelve (12) hours I will be forced to report you.

Sincerely,
G**N, esq.
Vastek Non
State War Academy
Caldari State
#62 - 2011-10-08 11:01:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Vastek Non
I honestly wouldn't even think about calling what is happening 'griefing'.

In reality for many of the pilots, who seem to have some sort of bizzare and genuine hatred for anyone who does other than they do, it really may be, but apart from that, in EVE as long as some even moderately related to gameplay excuse can be found, it won't be called griefing.

In this case they just tell CCP its economic warfare and there is no ban, end of story.

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with the whole saga bar that they are receiving 100% insurance payouts for situations that no real insurance company would ever think of paying out for (as I have harped on about in a different thread).

P.S. why on earth haven't highsecers got together and either a) war decced persons responsible b) pooled money and hired mercs to shoot back at goons?

Either way there are some very competent pilots in highsec who could easily make life very difficult for the attackers.
Also a lot of people would find a new love for shooting at other pilots, or in the case of newer pilots, a new career path Bear
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#63 - 2011-10-08 11:02:21 UTC
Vastek Non wrote:

P.S. why on earth haven't highsecers got together and either a) war decced persons responsible b) pooled money and hired mercs to shoot back at goons?

Either way there are some very competent pilots in highsec who could easily make life very difficult for the attackers.



Because they'll want compensating for their time, and people like The Apostle think that they should be protected for free.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Brisco County
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#64 - 2011-10-08 11:59:36 UTC
I say, why are you ruffians accosting this fine fellow?
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#65 - 2011-10-08 12:03:57 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Current "fun" being enjoyed by a limited number of 0.0 alliances on empire players is consistently and maliciously interfering with the game experience for others.

Is the "at our discretion" statement the mitigating factor?

It´s not personal and they won´t stop you from ice mining. I bet you can happily mine ice in Amarr space without people consistently and maliciously interfering with it.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#66 - 2011-10-08 12:09:59 UTC
Komen wrote:
Frankly, spreading nasty rumors about players, like that TheMittani runs a kitten adoption agency and is secretly a big softy and just pretends to be all goony so his other goonies don't find out, that''s just part of the game.


A short amount of time in our jabber channel will confirm that we're pretty much all softies who love pictures of kittens and puppies, just fyi.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#67 - 2011-10-08 12:11:56 UTC
Jennifer Starling wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
Current "fun" being enjoyed by a limited number of 0.0 alliances on empire players is consistently and maliciously interfering with the game experience for others.

Is the "at our discretion" statement the mitigating factor?

It´s not personal and they won´t stop you from ice mining. I bet you can happily mine ice in Amarr space without people consistently and maliciously interfering with it.


Except for the occasional confused goon who reads the map upside-down and strays into the wrong region for his killing spree, only to find that he's not getting reimbursed because he ganked Caldari space by accident.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Raptor217
Nomadic Spacial Bunnies Support Division
#68 - 2011-10-08 12:29:55 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

They don't have to do any mining. They just have to buy up all the available stocks and then stop anyone else mining them.

I rule out the economic argument as total BS. Alway have.

Firstly, the G**N's campaign would have cost 100's of millions, if not billions of isk. The amount of ice needed to be sold to get that back would be staggering.



My god you're a dumb one. I know of countless players who bought 10b worth of isotopes before this was announced and sold them at 6x profit once the market went mad. I also know that 7b worth of bounties/reimbursements were handed out by goonswarm. All it takes to kill a mackinaw is a thorax at the loss of about 2-3m if insured. Now, people killing mackinaws are reimbursed 10m, therein they are profiting.

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Secondly, 0.0 POS holders will simply change towers. Sure Gallente towers have moongoo bonuses but it just means more work in the short term. Last 0.0 corp I was in we had 3 months supply on hand. Minor blip. Thus no immediate or short term market for Gallente ice. (most price changes have been speculators)

Lastly, all empire POS holders can just change faction. Again, no market for Gallente ice.


Gallente POS's are used frequently because they have a huge bonus to silos, which makes them very important for moon goo with the volumes of goo running through them each month.

Quote:

Other reasons?
Restricting Oxy using cap fuels may have a strategic effect but only if the G**N's campaign was sustained for the long term AND they had a view to invade someone. Both is unlikely.


Its strategic in that oxy isotopes are used by the most common carrier (thanatos), super carrier (nyx), and titan (erebus); thus the demand is highest for that isotope. AND we are invading someone, that someone is all the residents of delve.

Both are true.





Most of the price change was just speculation, but that doesn't mean that we didn't make ourselves rich in the process.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#69 - 2011-10-08 13:26:43 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Lastly, all empire POS holders can just change faction. Again, no market for Gallente ice.

Yeah, and everyone that owns an Erebus would just switch to a different titan. Everyone that owns a Nyx would switch to another supercarrier. Everyone that owns a Rorqual would just use an Orca. Right?

Yeah, stop pretending to have a clue about what the **** you're talking about.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#70 - 2011-10-08 14:57:21 UTC
the pinnacle of griefing is the eula lawyer threads, once you get those you know you done good

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#71 - 2011-10-08 15:00:14 UTC
no, working as intended
and honestly, can you blame the CSM involved? What would you rather be doing? Beating your head against the brick wall that is CCP and trying to get the game better, or burning it down?
After all. Ppl elected at least mittens "To fix the game or finally break it for good" and thats exactly what he's doing.

how about we fix the excessing ganking on the forums tho?

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
theDisto
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#72 - 2011-10-08 15:08:39 UTC
I would be very excited if all the players in Empire, united and rised up to respond to nullsec players such as the Goons. It won't happen though and sucks to be those who have spammed towers on literally every moon in empire.
Cozmik R5
Chez Stan
#73 - 2011-10-08 15:09:34 UTC
@Apostle: Harden the **** up.

@CCP: This is your own slogan. Please uncensor it.

Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
Karia Sur
Quay Industries
#74 - 2011-10-08 15:15:26 UTC
Ganking is working as intended, its the penalties for gankers which is FUBAR and needs a complete overhaul.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#75 - 2011-10-08 15:18:20 UTC
theDisto wrote:
I would be very excited if all the players in Empire, united and rised up to respond to nullsec players such as the Goons. It won't happen though and sucks to be those who have spammed towers on literally every moon in empire.


Imo it would be funny as hell if the opposite happened, if every 0.0 corp started invading high sec and/or wardecced all the highsec corps.

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Ntrails
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#76 - 2011-10-08 15:21:03 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
the pinnacle of griefing is the eula lawyer threads, once you get those you know you done good


you gotta be pretty :smug: about how your baby is playing out
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#77 - 2011-10-08 15:23:42 UTC
IMO griefing starts when it becomes "Personal"


No matter what any corporation/alliance does as a broad campaign. It cannot be considered griefing becaus it is not "Personal".

Take the recent "Ice" campaign from the goons. They are not stopping "YOU" from going elsewhere to mine ice. They are not stopping "YOU" from "Experiencing" other types of play in the game. The goons ice campaign is much like gate camping. The intent is to stop you from using the "ice". Its not personal. Just you in the wrong place at the wrong time.


Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#78 - 2011-10-08 16:17:55 UTC
Ntrails wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
the pinnacle of griefing is the eula lawyer threads, once you get those you know you done good


you gotta be pretty :smug: about how your baby is playing out

yes, yes I am

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2011-10-08 16:21:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Xython
Kehro Urgus wrote:
Lose a hulk recently?


Nah, Apostle is just a one issue wonk, hates goons and is very likely Riverini of EveNews24 posting under a sock puppet account.

However, It is nice to see all these blubbering crybaby threads talking about how the big bad goonies blew up your ice miner bots, though. Keep it up, it's delicious forum pornography.

~ Your rage inspires us to greatness. ~
Mrs Sooperdudespaceman
Doomheim
#80 - 2011-10-08 16:30:02 UTC
I <3 user generated content and all these forum threads. How many do we have devoted to this now?