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Seeding super capitals on Singularity? - Yes!

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CCP Habakuk
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2012-06-29 20:02:40 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Habakuk
Hi!

We are considering to seed super capitals (both super carriers and titans) on the markets on Singularity. We have not really decided on it, but it seems like the advantages will outweigh the disadvantages. Some from the QA team are still quite skeptical about it, but we are ready to give it a try.

It is clear, that some players will love and some others will hate it - but we don't know all the reasons for it and we have no idea how many are on which side. Please reply to this post if you have any opinion on it! Please also note it, if you think that any other changes need to be made in combination with this. Please stay civil in this thread and refrain from any personal attacks.
I plan to keep this thread active for 2-3 days and then post a short summary (and maybe post a follow-up thread). Assuming that you are all for seeding super capitals then I'll put super capitals onto the market of 6-CZ49 and reevaluate the whole thing with the next mirror.

Update: Super capitals are now seeded in 6-CZ49

CCP Habakuk | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Five 0 | (Team Gridlock)

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Chaotic Panda
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#2 - 2012-06-29 20:22:25 UTC
I'd have to say I'm all for it, allow for more testing of the abilities (and disabilities) of corps that would not normally have this kind of access.
Makari Aeron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-06-29 20:34:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Makari Aeron
I'm all for it because all the other ships in the game are available on the market. But do I see myself using the ships? Probably not. I am a firm believer of every non-unique item being available on the test server.

As for the PvP testing balance, it might be best to limit the use of Supers to their own system similar to that of the current subcap and cap PvP zones in SiSi

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Vin Ott
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-06-29 20:35:05 UTC
Well it would be nice for those people who are always bitching about it, however after an while you will see that sisi can't really handle this amount of ships and stuff, also rage will come from those that get killed in one second even if their in a titan.
J3ssica Biel
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-06-29 20:36:01 UTC
I am personally all for it
Most people that I have talked to as well think this as well. Of course 6-cz49 will be flooded with super capitals, But considering that there is now PVH8 for sub capital PvP why shouldn't this happen?
Let the fun ensue
J3ssica Biel
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-06-29 20:39:35 UTC
Vin Ott wrote:
Well it would be nice for those people who are always bitching about it, however after an while you will see that sisi can't really handle this amount of ships and stuff, also rage will come from those that get killed in one second even if their in a titan.

Mind you the server wouldn't really crash, At the start it will be a total shitstorm but it will die out slowly
Yonkami Tsujimoto
Heretics' Armada
#7 - 2012-06-29 20:44:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Yonkami Tsujimoto
Yeah seed them. it would be awesome to be able to use them and also kill them more often. im totaly for the plan! plus it would be a great way to test your fitting just in case you re a super or itan pilot in the Tranquility. their hard to come by there so mistakes are not an option.
Andrew Moretti
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-06-29 20:44:49 UTC
IM ALL FOR IT!!!!
DO IT!
Brett Mykle Skee
Zonk Squad
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2012-06-29 20:46:21 UTC
Im all for it, like jessica said there is pvh for people who dont want to die by a titan all the time and it will also stop people begging in local for supers 24/7
Austneal
Nero Fazione
#10 - 2012-06-29 20:46:32 UTC
I originally thought this might be a bad idea.... But on second thought, why not? Most people who can fly supers have them / will build them on sisi anyway.

I say go for it. If it turns out to be a horrible mistake, they can always be taken off later
Comodore John
4S Corporation
The Initiative.
#11 - 2012-06-29 21:16:21 UTC
100% against.

Not sure if you remember the last time Leviathans and Avatars got seeded, but it was pretty bad. The only thing that will possibly come out of this is every single ship undocked will be a super capital. CCP will spend hours upon hours of solidly banning people who break the rules if you don't recall.

The only feasible way of even contemplating this would involve the removal of the 2,000,000 SP from mass tests to prevent massive abuse. Even then, the people who can fly these ships will spam them and there will be more bitching.

You listened to the masses who wanted faction mods seeded, faction mods got seeded. Now most people want the faction mods gone. Do not make the same mistake with super capitals as it will be 10x as bad.

Part of the reason for the removal of the super capital build acceleration was because entities spammed supers and it ended up causing too much work for CCP. The seeding of super capitals would cause more spammage and more work for CCP than this program ever did.

To end my rant, after the seeding of supers, people will beg for maxed skills once more; they figure you caved in once before with faction mods, and another time with super capitals, let's try again with maxed skills. Maxed skills + supers = incredibly bad if you don't remember that dark winter expansion testing phase.
J3ssica Biel
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-06-29 21:20:15 UTC  |  Edited by: J3ssica Biel
Comodore John wrote:
100% against.

Not sure if you remember the last time Leviathans and Avatars got seeded, but it was pretty bad. The only thing that will possibly come out of this is every single ship undocked will be a super capital. CCP will spend hours upon hours of solidly banning people who break the rules if you don't recall.

The only feasible way of even contemplating this would involve the removal of the 2,000,000 SP from mass tests to prevent massive abuse. Even then, the people who can fly these ships will spam them and there will be more bitching.

You listened to the masses who wanted faction mods seeded, faction mods got seeded. Now most people want the faction mods gone. Do not make the same mistake with super capitals as it will be 10x as bad.

Part of the reason for the removal of the super capital build acceleration was because entities spammed supers and it ended up causing too much work for CCP. The seeding of super capitals would cause more spammage and more work for CCP than this program ever did.

To end my rant, after the seeding of supers, people will beg for maxed skills once more; they figure you caved in once before with faction mods, and another time with super capitals, let's try again with maxed skills. Maxed skills + supers = incredibly bad if you don't remember that dark winter expansion testing phase.

1. That was bad cause they gove everyone a 5m learning refund sp thats why it was bad
2.No
3.Unseed faction mods seed supers, It isn't a problem
4.Don't like it? go PVH8 its there for a reason. The speeding up of supers was stopped because of the work needed for ccp to speed the builds up that is all
5. And they don't do that already?

Anyways don't you have BH spawning you supers already? Why can't ccp do it for everyone Cool
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#13 - 2012-06-29 21:20:15 UTC
Comodore John wrote:
100% against.

Not sure if you remember the last time Leviathans and Avatars got seeded, but it was pretty bad. The only thing that will possibly come out of this is every single ship undocked will be a super capital. CCP will spend hours upon hours of solidly banning people who break the rules if you don't recall.

The only feasible way of even contemplating this would involve the removal of the 2,000,000 SP from mass tests to prevent massive abuse. Even then, the people who can fly these ships will spam them and there will be more bitching.

You listened to the masses who wanted faction mods seeded, faction mods got seeded. Now most people want the faction mods gone. Do not make the same mistake with super capitals as it will be 10x as bad.

Part of the reason for the removal of the super capital build acceleration was because entities spammed supers and it ended up causing too much work for CCP. The seeding of super capitals would cause more spammage and more work for CCP than this program ever did.

To end my rant, after the seeding of supers, people will beg for maxed skills once more; they figure you caved in once before with faction mods, and another time with super capitals, let's try again with maxed skills. Maxed skills + supers = incredibly bad if you don't remember that dark winter expansion testing phase.

With the non super system and the ability to expaned it if needed some people will spam and then what get bored and go home. Its when you say you will only have this ability for a day or two that it gets bad.

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Brett Mykle Skee
Zonk Squad
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2012-06-29 21:20:26 UTC
Comodore John why dont you just shut up for once and stop trying to be ccp that also goes for all you DDL idiots, you only dont want them seeded because DDL will thn have a fight on there hands and everyone knows you dont like others having them



So now we wait until the rest of DDL say no then ccp wont let it happen because of some idiots who dont think of others
Jonny Copper
The Cadre Arareb Foundation
#15 - 2012-06-29 21:21:08 UTC
I believe it would be very beneficial for the following reasons. First, although mirror dates are never known, given the time to build them, people can get into them. Also, people find ways around it such as asking major TQ alliances etc. for them. It will also allow for further testing, and if it turns out to be a bad addition it can be taken away.

All for this! Big smile
Vin Ott
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-06-29 21:21:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Vin Ott
Ah I change my mind. ccp can seed supers and kill sisi more tears from sisi warriors makes me smile.

CJ tell the BH you got in your little group to spawn some ships for me ty.
Beardponderer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-06-29 21:29:47 UTC
CCP Habakuk wrote:
Hi!
We have not really decided on it, but it seems like the advantages will outweigh the disadvantages.


You hit the nail on the head. Seeding them will be good for testing but bad for player testing (eventually).

CCP Habakuk wrote:

Please stay civil in this thread and refrain from any personal attacks.

Brett Mykle Skee wrote:
Comodore John why dont you just shut up for once and stop trying to be ccp that also goes for all you DDL idiots, you only dont want them seeded because DDL will thn have a fight on there hands and everyone knows you dont like others having them
So now we wait until the rest of DDL say no then ccp wont let it happen because of some idiots who dont think of others

Well done.
Tankn00blicus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-06-29 21:31:33 UTC
CCP Habakuk wrote:
Assuming that you are all for seeding super capitals
Sure.
Quote:
then I'll put super capitals onto the market of 6-CZ49.
NO, seed them in a dedicated system for them, and cyno jam 6-CZ49 (you can still buy regular caps in there for testing them there).
J3ssica Biel
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-06-29 21:33:21 UTC
Beardponderer wrote:
CCP Habakuk wrote:
Hi!
We have not really decided on it, but it seems like the advantages will outweigh the disadvantages.


You hit the nail on the head. Seeding them will be good for testing but bad for player testing (eventually).

CCP Habakuk wrote:

Please stay civil in this thread and refrain from any personal attacks.

Brett Mykle Skee wrote:
Comodore John why dont you just shut up for once and stop trying to be ccp that also goes for all you DDL idiots, you only dont want them seeded because DDL will thn have a fight on there hands and everyone knows you dont like others having them
So now we wait until the rest of DDL say no then ccp wont let it happen because of some idiots who dont think of others

Well done.

Atleast there is one good poster in DDL
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#20 - 2012-06-29 21:53:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Daneel Trevize
The obvious question is what needs testing for such ships? Certainly newer pilots would benefit from trying their unique mechanics, and perhaps some would like to experiment with new fits for future alliance ops approval, but they're not general everyday combat ships and afaik their use doctrines have barely changed for years (just some dps nerfs), so I agree they should be well clear (outside bridging range if possible) of the capital and subcaps testing systems.

If corps/alliances want to see how they perform un(der)supported vs regular caps and subcaps, they can organise 2 sides within their own alliance for such testing and keep it to themselves elsewhere. Meanwhile aspiring individuals can just try them out to get a feel for them in some backwater, all without their huge ability to disrupt the far more mainstream testing system & situations found there.

Judicious deployment of cynojammers in the current testing constellation, basically.
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