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Talon Mordu
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-06-27 14:38:42 UTC
Im trying to find cheap T1 fits of pure caldari origin.

My biggest problem is that i have not trained a single skill in gunnery except weapon upgrades and AWU. I do have really good ECM and missile skills. I have flown alot of griffins but i am looking to hopefully find something more. I guess since i only use missiles i am stuck with kessies and condors. Any speciffic fits i should look into?
Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
#2 - 2012-06-27 14:41:38 UTC
My advice:
Train gunnery skills.

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Sui'Djin
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-06-27 14:52:17 UTC
it depends on what you want to do. Caracals are cheap, too. If you want to limit youself to frigs things get hard with missiles. the hookbill is definitively worth a try, a pretty good ship that can be a bargain if you buy it with your LP at tier 4 warzone control.

But besides that htere is only guns. Training hybrid guns also opens the door to gallente shiptypes.
Talon Mordu
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-06-27 14:52:50 UTC
Luba Cibre wrote:
My advice:
Train gunnery skills.


Thanks for the info but i am not going too. Turret based combat does not interest me at all. That is exactly why i went the ECM route so that when i can't spew missiles i can fly a jammer.
Talon Mordu
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-06-27 14:56:02 UTC
Sui'Djin wrote:
it depends on what you want to do. Caracals are cheap, too. If you want to limit youself to frigs things get hard with missiles. the hookbill is definitively worth a try, a pretty good ship that can be a bargain if you buy it with your LP at tier 4 warzone control.

But besides that htere is only guns. Training hybrid guns also opens the door to gallente shiptypes.



I thought about a hookbill it looks like a little nasty missile boat. For some reason my heart always goes to the condor it is the ship i started doing combat with and for some unexplained reason i am attached to it. I figured with the new t1 frigate buffs that maybe it got some love.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#6 - 2012-06-27 15:49:59 UTC
Talon Mordu wrote:

I thought about a hookbill it looks like a little nasty missile boat. For some reason my heart always goes to the condor it is the ship i started doing combat with and for some unexplained reason i am attached to it. I figured with the new t1 frigate buffs that maybe it got some love.


the consensus is that the recent buffs to assault ships, destroyers, and the ongoing buffs to t1 frigs have made the competition a lot tougher for faction frigs like the comet.

And yeah... pure caldari ship, ecm, missiles, no gunnery. It really does narrow down the number of ships you can fly. But you seem to already know that. As for fits, I have a friend that used to swear by a kestrel, fit with rockets, tackle, and dual armor plates.

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Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#7 - 2012-06-28 04:00:42 UTC
Your only missile option is the hookbill, kestrel is a PITA to fit and doesn't perform that well vs the buffed merlin or corm. You should be embracing hybrids as they are caldari still...
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-06-28 08:42:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Mike Whiite
Hookbill is one of the best Frigates out there.

try something like this.

High:

- Rocket launcher II x3,

Mid:

- Experimental AB x1
- Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction x 1
- Fleeting propulsion inhibitor I
- X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
- Warp scrambler II

Low:
- Overdrive injector II
- Balistic Control System II

Riggs:

- Small Core Defense Shield Extender I x 2
- Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Cap stable with everything running, AB should be on at anytime.

Lock, Web, disrupt, Shoot, overheat and kite the hell out of them.

Use Caldari Navy rockets, bring something beside kinettic as well, they know you hurt with those.
Lili Lu
#9 - 2012-06-28 16:42:09 UTC
Don't know what to tell ya OP. Limiting yourself to one race of ships is a surefire way to be unhappy in this game. You will have no insurance against nerfs. You will have no knowledge of other ships and will post badly about them on the forums. You may not always be able to join your in-game friends if they are rolling in a gang or fleet that a caldari non-turret ship doesn't fit into easily. It is a rule of thumb I say in almost all my posts that every character should have two races it can fly.

As for missiles, it appears CCP is decidng to give every race a missile frig. It won't be the same for cruisers. Although Amarr and Minmatar do have some above frig and cruiser sized ships that partially make use of missiles. So you do have crosstraining options.

Think of it this way. If you were on a battlefield and an enemy was attacking you but you had no ammo for your gun, would you really refuse to pick up the loaded gun of a dead enemy at your feet to defend yourself? Sorry, but I don't see the logic in being so "pure."
Talon Mordu
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-06-28 17:35:59 UTC
Lili Lu wrote:

Think of it this way. If you were on a battlefield and an enemy was attacking you but you had no ammo for your gun, would you really refuse to pick up the loaded gun of a dead enemy at your feet to defend yourself? Sorry, but I don't see the logic in being so "pure."



Theres a bayonet, a combat knife, using ur weapon as a club, theres tons of options open to you rather than picking up your enemies weapon.

Fast Foward into the future:
I could just ram my ship into the enemy loaded with missile warheads. Or just simply ram them since i am immortal after all why not just use a practical means of destruction?


At the end of they day i will still just use missiles. Plus i just need something to hold me until CCP rebalances the kestrel in a sexi way. Hopefully it gets just as much love as the merlin did. Going with the new ship doctrine they are applying, bombardment ships, im sure will eventually be balanced enough to compete with turrets in fleet PVP or if they keep to the idea of "bombardment" your looking into a world of pain if those missiles do hit their mark. hopefully they gives more info on what the "bombardment" part of the rework is about rather than "yes, we are giving every race a missile ship!"
Lili Lu
#11 - 2012-06-28 19:37:02 UTC
Talon Mordu wrote:
Theres a bayonet, a combat knife, using ur weapon as a club, theres tons of options open to you rather than picking up your enemies weapon.


Hey now it was my hypothetical.P I see none of those on the ground as options.

Talon Mordu wrote:
Fast Foward into the future:
I could just ram my ship into the enemy loaded with missile warheads. Or just simply ram them since i am immortal after all why not just use a practical means of destruction?

At the end of they day i will still just use missiles. Plus i just need something to hold me until CCP rebalances the kestrel in a sexi way. Hopefully it gets just as much love as the merlin did. Going with the new ship doctrine they are applying, bombardment ships, im sure will eventually be balanced enough to compete with turrets in fleet PVP or if they keep to the idea of "bombardment" your looking into a world of pain if those missiles do hit their mark. hopefully they gives more info on what the "bombardment" part of the rework is about rather than "yes, we are giving every race a missile ship!"

Every race a missile frig. Other classes will not be so endowed.

Anyway, I think you are still unwise for putting all your eggs in one basket.

And as you accumulate sp you will eventually be forced to crosstrain simply by having maxed out the skills you want at this time. It can come sooner than you think. Especially, if you focus so narrowly.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#12 - 2012-06-28 19:54:36 UTC
I just wanted to point out. Hybrids ARE the Caldari gun system. You could stay 'pure' in that respect and still have some gaming options.
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-06-29 14:49:34 UTC
Lili Lu wrote:


Anyway, I think you are still unwise for putting all your eggs in one basket.




You are right ofcourse, though it doesn't hurt to specialise a little, before spreading out to all other, options EVE has, eventualy you'll need to train other stuff as well, it's just good there is this one thing you can do rather well, when shopping for a corp for one.
Talon Mordu
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-06-29 15:55:39 UTC
Mike Whiite wrote:
Lili Lu wrote:


Anyway, I think you are still unwise for putting all your eggs in one basket.




You are right ofcourse, though it doesn't hurt to specialise a little, before spreading out to all other, options EVE has, eventualy you'll need to train other stuff as well, it's just good there is this one thing you can do rather well, when shopping for a corp for one.



Yeah i went the missile and ECM route. I was suprised to see i had more ECM skills than my friend whos been playing almost 4 years now. Im sure when i have all my missile skills to 5, my ECM skills to 5, and support skills ill branch out to something else. but for now its nothing but missile skills and it wont be changing anytime soon.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#15 - 2012-06-30 06:11:43 UTC
Get a blackbird and get on with it.

Cheap missle/ecm since that is where your skills are.
David Clausewitz
David Clausewitz Corporation
#16 - 2012-06-30 06:33:39 UTC  |  Edited by: David Clausewitz
how to drake?

Caracal can be a decent cruiser if you keep range, Blackbird/Griffin jams will always be useful
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#17 - 2012-06-30 16:32:50 UTC
I'd consider the advice you are getting carefully, guns is a big investment, especially since later when you get into bigger ships most are missle boats Caldari wise.

If you are going to go guns then you may as well train Minmitar ships as well and go projectiles. At least then when you progress to bigger ships you can fly a Mach.

Caldari guns is a dead end street.

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Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#18 - 2012-07-01 05:59:06 UTC
Amen, Brother! Missiles and ECM are the only true state weapons.

Train Assault Frigates, Rocket Specialization, and get yourself a Hawk. It fits just like that Hookbill above, except +2 high slots and +1 launcher hardpoint, -1 rig slot.

Is there any other ship in game that ahs spawned it's own meme? "Because of Falcon." Train recons and get one. Your bros will love you. Until then, blackbird.

Missile cruiser? Caracal. It shreds frigates.

Missile BC? Drake.

Oh, yes. And Stealth Bombers use torpedoes. Getting from one racial bomber to the next is as easy as training frigate 5 in that race. I don't know anyone that has regretted training for bombers.

And then... the creme de la creme of ECM and missiles, the Widow. As powerful on the ECM has a Rook, and strong dps with torps. Or just bridge peeps around.

Caldari can be a lot of fun. But you have to be patient and not listen to all the nay sayers.

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