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Killmails For POS Gunners

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Temba Ronin
#1 - 2012-06-21 08:16:52 UTC
I recently engaged a hostile attack force that tried to destroy my POS in low sec with a carrier, dread, and assorted T3 ships. Being the closest member of my Alliance to the POS at the time of the attack I manned the defenses as i called in help.

The calvary arrived in time and we did not lose any POS modules, and only the hot drop cyno ship was destroyed by the attackers.

We successfully pointed their carrier and destroyed it. \o/

Much to my surprise, as the one guy who was engaged in the fight the longest, the POS gunner did not receive credit on an 8 billion isk killmail.

I know CCP has recently granted recognition of the guys who point ships on the killmails, I do herein propose that POS gunners should be included on killmails.

Right now it just says unknown and gives the corp name and damage % inflicted. Would it be so difficult to credit kills to the people who have taken the extra time to train for the skills to defend the property of their corp/ alliance?

Seems like this is a no brainer, POS gunners fight, they do damage, and against capital ships they have a steep challenge, can someone on the CSM put this before CCP to give credit to POS gunners for kills they contribute to.

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#2 - 2012-06-21 12:01:57 UTC
If it would be easy to put POS gunners on killmails I fully endorse this idea.

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Malcanis
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The Initiative.
#3 - 2012-06-22 05:34:40 UTC
If it wouldn't be developmentally expensive, I see no reason for this not to be done.

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Angry Mustellid
#4 - 2012-06-22 11:28:31 UTC
Sounds reasonable.

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#5 - 2012-06-22 15:59:17 UTC
I support this. If they take the initiative to defend their Corp/Alliance POS by parking their ship and taking control of the guns, I agree they deserve credit if they kill anything.

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DragonBorn Olerie
The Guardian Knights
#6 - 2012-06-22 16:56:45 UTC
This seems a complete no brainer to me. Pos gunners are real players defending their property like anyone else.
CCP need to sort this out asap and congrats on a successful defence!
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#7 - 2012-06-22 18:30:07 UTC
The real question is, why haven't I ever seen this brought up before?

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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#8 - 2012-06-23 12:37:24 UTC
Sometimes this is full of stupid, redundant, overly-complex, and unnecessary ideas.

This is the complete opposite of that.

It is one of the smartest, most needed, simplest, and necessary changes proposed in recent times.

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Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#9 - 2012-06-24 17:57:25 UTC
While I think this would be nice to see, I don't think CCP is likely to do any additional work on POSes, since hopefully POSes will be replaced sometime soon.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#10 - 2012-06-25 14:58:20 UTC
Two step wrote:
While I think this would be nice to see, I don't think CCP is likely to do any additional work on POSes, since hopefully POSes will be replaced sometime soon.


There will still be POS defense and I like the gunner mechanic as it stands. Hopefully they won't be throwing out the good along with the bad.

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Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-06-25 15:04:59 UTC
Two step wrote:
While I think this would be nice to see, I don't think CCP is likely to do any additional work on POSes, since hopefully POSes will be replaced sometime soon.

Correct; this'd be a good feature to incorporate into the replacement code though.
Teshania
Silent Lazy Miners
#12 - 2012-06-25 20:10:23 UTC
Two step wrote:
While I think this would be nice to see, I don't think CCP is likely to do any additional work on POSes, since hopefully POSes will be replaced sometime soon.


If i remember correctly from the CSM mins. not to long ago, they said they are redoing the POS system from the ground up. This is a prefect time to have CCP make sure that POS Gunners get credit for their hard work!!
Everyone else gets credit for their hard work on killmails why not a pos gunner ?!?

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z Flint
z Mining Corp
#13 - 2012-06-27 20:04:29 UTC
This would be a great idea if done.
FireT
Venom Pointe Industries
#14 - 2012-06-27 20:15:28 UTC
This idea has my support. An interesting little tweak seems to be the only thing required.
BobFenner
Black Hole Runners
#15 - 2012-06-29 13:21:46 UTC
Two step wrote:
While I think this would be nice to see, I don't think CCP is likely to do any additional work on POSes, since hopefully POSes will be replaced sometime soon.



I agree with the above posters, IF they finally get around to fixing POS'es then this needs to be in there from the start.
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Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#16 - 2012-06-30 21:24:17 UTC
This is simple ..... no excuses from the CSM or CCP will change the fact that this is both fair and overdue ...... Just Do It!

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CracatusMilo
Malevelon Roe Industries
Convocation of Empyreans
#17 - 2012-07-02 14:22:09 UTC
great idea! P
Kahn Soomer
Beverage Production and Consumption
#18 - 2012-07-05 18:07:45 UTC
While this is (and has always been) a great idea, I vaguely remember it was mentioned "back in the day" when that skill was first introduced. And, I'm remembering the usual response: Adding the pos gunner is wonderful, but they said it had the drawback that a pos gunner can't get killmails, because it simply can't be done; It would take too much time to program; etc. [same response as given when discussing the proposal to add a timer/cap usage limits on the covert ops cloaking devices to prevent 24/7 afk hostile camping/grief].

Here's hoping the proposed "revamp" will help get this improvement accomplished!
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PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#19 - 2012-07-06 18:34:46 UTC
Yeah, yeah .. killmails for everyone .. what struck me reading that plea was: We successfully pointed their carrier and destroyed it and 8 billion isk killmail

Holy hell, who in their right mind fits modules on a larger ship worth more than 10x the hull value? Smile

Second the motion that nothing should be done until POS replacement is up and running.

If they really are going with a modular type of thing then gunners/guns may well be on designated platforms/modules and can thus be handled like regular ships making the whole thing easy-peasy to code.
Temba Ronin
#20 - 2012-07-09 07:57:16 UTC
This proposal has garnered steady support. I am hopeful CCP will do the right thing and implement this overdue change when they rework the POS.

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