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Same here Eddie, We have to change caregivers b/e of new mandates that are in place. Some doctors are being forced to refuse any insurance and not just medicaire/Medicaide as it is discriminitory.

What I don't understand is, If I pay a cheaper car insurance rate b/c I don't have a ton of fender benders in my car, Why do I pay the same rate for Healthcare Insurance as a fat-a$$ eating 5 Big Macs s day Neck Beard who hasn't seen the light of day since he left the womb?

I understand the needs of those with genuine health issues - Cancer, Major surgeries. That is a need and is more rarely utilizing of insurance than the common cold or STD's for being stupid. I don't think insurgence should go up for those uses but instead for the aforementioned fat-a$$es that don't care enough to take care of themselves... THEY should pay more.

I don't think Romney will really do much here, remember, the Obamacare Model is based off of Romney's failed Romneycare model in Mass. as Governor there. It may have been tweaked, but it's there.

I urge people to look past political labels and see the entire picture as it really is, and to me at least, it is scary. It's WAY bigger than health care.

Check this one out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27uM25FvXrE

Really? First Amendment Rights can be terminated. Fourth Amendment as well, as I understand it. Many have been under attack against the First and Fourth Amendments. The loss of our Country, figuratively speaking, has been under way for a long, long time I am afraid. No Conspiracy Theory needed for this, it's simply Mathematically impossible to climb out of the debt we now have, and that isn't the result of Obama, but the result of MANY Presidents over the years, no matter what "Party" they belong to. Obamacare pushes this further I am sad to say.

The United States, I think, will go the way of Greece, only much, much worse due to the position we've been in for so long. And this is NOT to minimize or belittle what Greece is going through, I feel for them, Really I do. They have a right to be angry.

I don't know how things will look next year for us, or if there'll be a next year. Rather than creating solutions, we are creating greater and greater debt. And folks can't say that we, or any country, elects the greatest quality of leaders, or even mediocre ones, because some of the most brilliant people I've met were right here on Eve. So if in THIS community, which by the way, as if y'all didn't know, is international, then think of all the greatness we have on this planet of something like 5 billion. I hope after the dust and smoke clears after the things that may/may not happen over the next few years, such brilliance will emerge from The People, and not those appointed by Government.

I was once a Soldier for the United States Army, and while I speak ONLY for myself, I have to say, with things as they are now, I'd not lift a finger to save it if it is to be saved for what things are now. Of course, if for the better, it's worth fighting for, preferably peacefully.

I say prepare for the worst, and this means putting some food away and considering things you may do in case of... Whatever. If nothing else, you'll have a lot of food to eat. But at least you'll have SOME buffer if things go badly in this Country.

And speaking on screwed up things such as Economic woes.... This IS a Global problem, not just a few countries, but I know you guys are all smart enough to know that already. Personally, I blame the Banks. But I'm straying off topic a bit, so I'll finish my point, this Health Care law will put an incredible tax on The People, the largest increase in world history I believe, in an economy that's shrinking by the minute, and you can't tax those that have no money. Have you seen the huge increase of homelessness? My brother is living with me because he's out of work and can't get a job that has 3-400 applicants. No, this Law is not good at all. Insurance and the fines will bleed us dry before the Insurance Companies dry up and full on Government Health Care

No, that's no good either. And Capitalism itself is not the issue, it's the perversion of it. Capitalism is only for the very, very few. The idea is a good one, bust your butt, create or improve upon ideas, market them, reap the rewards. But, that is now taken up by the very large entities, who think that a Corporation is a Person, and every law, every tax, every profit, is for and by those elite.

Socialism isn't an answer either, as it's proven to fail time and again. Maybe there is a better solution.

This all goes with Insurgence Companies as well. No, Life or Death should not hang on whether you have insurance or not.

Health and Welfare of The People does not belong to Government. It belongs to the People Alone. That said, there COULD be a MUCH better system for those that can not afford Insurance, although like fuel ought to be, I think there should be a cap on how much the Medical/Insurance Companies can extort. I think, honestly, that should be THE solution right there, make it actually affordable.

But, then, that kills the concept of Capitalism. Theoretically, if I am innovative and create a product that becomes high in demand because I busted my butt to get it out there, I should reap ALL of the rewards that come with that. Telling folks you have to put a cap on their profits kills all motivation right there. If you're not looking to shoot for the top, what's the point?

People in general are greedy. I am, we all are, to a point anyhow. It's human nature to want it all. To have the best. This is something that has to be seriously considered, as with Health Care lives ARE on the line.

Treat it like car insurance... but in this case, major surgeries/operations and treatments (Chemo) are exempt from instances that effect the policy. If you go to the ER for every sniffle or cold and you exceed x number of visits for "stupid ****," your rate (if you are a private insurance holder) goes up. Kind of like when a car insurance company gets tired of fixing your stupid fender benders... they raise your rates.

Add to this that a once a year physical is required to set a baseline for your level of health. If you are healthy, you pay cheaper premiums. If your a lazy 12 cheeseburger eating fat-ass neck-beard that visits the doc b/c you are getting symptoms of type-2 diabetes, you should pay a higher rate.

Now, I know those who cannot afford private insurance wouldn't be able to do this. So, since they are sucking on big mama gumment's tit, they should meet the annual physical requirements to maintain health.... If they want the gov't to take care of their healthcare needs, they should take care of themselves to avoid overtaxing the system - sort of how the military works; you get "free" healthcare in the military, provided you, as the military member, maintain a standard of health. You get too fat, they kick you out.

In the interest of full disclosure I am a fiscal conservative. I am also a social liberal.

The two greatest reasons for the obnoxious cost of healthcare are 1) Insurance companies being for-profit and 2) Healthcare providers that use marketing.

I live in one of the only civilized countries where health insurance companies are for-profit businesses. This is a faulty model and needs to be addressed.

I also despise hospitals, pharmaceutical companies, and other healthcare entities advertising. How much of their revenue is spent on marketing and advertising. Imagine if the hospital in my city did not advertise and I had a heart attack. Isn't it unlikely that I am going to die because I don't know where to go? No. Stop spending money on advertising - it's ******* stupid.

Same thing with the cost of prescription medication - how much of that cost is used to market their product? ******* stupid.

Being a fiscal conservative, I was at first skeptical of Obamacare. I do think that healthcare needs to be a right and not a privilege but how the **** are we going to pay for it? The more I think about it it will cost less than what I have to pay to cover an individual without healthcare coverage. Additionally. the more people on the books at the insurance companies the lower the rates for all. It will be interesting whether we see that savings or whether the for-profit insurance companies will just hoard that money and not discount any policies.

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Personally as an employed, tax paying citizen, I happily pay my taxes that go towards our free healthcare system, because that is the one of reasons my country is one of the best in the world.

Yours is an narrow attitude of ignorance. You completely fail too analyze the social system in which you live.

I'm sorry, but I have to say it...

He's not the one who fails to understand this system. The US is sort of like EVE, in a way. The constitution and the intent behind it was to create a sandbox (like how I tied it into internet spaceships?) where you can basically do what you want within a limited set of rules. Those rules, at a fundamental level, let us do what we want as long as it isn't impacting others rights. That's the general idea without getting too nitty gritty on it.

One very important thing that our founding fathers were getting away from was the idea that you owed your country. It's the other way around. Redistribution of wealth is something that was to be avoided at all costs. The government could operate on taxes (import/export, taxes on companies, etc) and lower taxes would be incentive for trade to stay in the country. But the idea of taking forcibly from one person and giving to another is socialism. We are wrapping it up to make it look like this is some kind of good deed, but all we are doing is taking from one and giving it to the other.

Take this healthcare thing at an economic level. The only thing that government intervention in the healthcare business (yes, it's a business) has done is to drive costs WAY up. Back as recently as the 80's, I could go to the doctor for a checkup... a REGULAR checkup and it would cost 20 bucks. Now, 20 bucks is the copay on the 400 dollar visit. The FDA makes drugs ridiculously expensive and we cannot even self-medicate if we wanted to take matters into our own hands. When the 2008 housing bubble collapse, what happened? Costs on EVERYTHING went down, except for healthcare and higher education. Funny that they're two of the most highly government-influenced markets.

The point is, all of this government bureaucracy has driven up costs, forces us to fully rely on health insurance and props up the health-care middleman.

I know that's a long post, but folks are making decisions with only a glimpse of the picture. This post is only a glimpse, but I hope it gets folks thinking rather than jumping onto bandwagons. Because once your on, it's hard to get off.

Cheer folks. Much respect to everyone for caring one way or the other.

Damn right, also those crybaby army types shouldn't get health care just cuz 'wah, wah i was scared while at war, wah' they all should grow up and take responsibility for going in the army, ffs.

For me and my family who rarely, if ever go to the Doctor (other than going for annual check ups), It will raise my insurance from $250 per paycheck to over $350... wait... It ALREADY DID; my employer already enforced the legislation so that they would be compliant BEFORE 2014. *******!

Be it via taxes or via insurance, you end up paying for the treatment of others. Also either way the American system is way more expensive than it needs to be so you are gonna get screwed no matter what happens.