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Can i haz systems reset now plz?
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Ash Stewart
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#101 - 2012-06-27 02:12:15 UTC
subtle turtle wrote:
For the minimatar who claim that the goon intervention didn't help them and OMG WE HOLD 56 SYSTEMS BECAUSE WE ARE SOOOO GOOOOD, you don't think that the influx of plexing alts helped? I know that a HUGE number of amarr pilots even had plexing alts, working against their own side, because the rewards were too much to resist. Also, an IN slicer for plexing or PVP is very pricey for an Amarr pilot on LP, a SFI costs you less than a frigate for us. Do you think that this had NOTHING to do with your ability to control systems?
I have spent the past month plexing up systems, defensive plexing (for 0 reward) and PVPing to help the amarr side. It felt like CRAP to plex all day, yet still see you guys at tier 4 or 5 the next morning. It felt even worse to discover that there was a reason for this beyond the broken mechanics of the plexing system, the clearly unfair NPC balance, and the disorganization on the Amarr side. I went out to plex last night, then decided "screw it, it's not worth working against this stupid mechanic any more."
We don't need a system reset. However, I feel like every amarr pilot needs to petition EVERY LOST SHIP for the last month, since we lost them fighting against a broken mechanic that we had no chance of winning against.
If you Minimatar think that this whole thing was OK, and that the "whole thing will balance out in the end" SCREW YOU. You should be just as pissed as we are about a stupid game mechanic favoring one side. I was very excited by the changes, those first few days after the patch were AWESOME, getting fights, making ISK, and enjoying the prospect of a new warzone. Since then it has been a demoralizing slog through stupid plex after stupid plex, and the fact that we had no chance of ever making progress or bumping up a tier just proves how broken this system is.


We have a hard slog defencive plexing our systems for no gain too!
And yes, its painful, its boring..............we hate it!

I honestly believe that we need some LP for defencive plexing too (though not as much as offensive plexing) to take the sting off it.
By the way, FWEDDIT ARE REALLY DAMAGING OUR STORE RIGHT NOW.. so you guys ARE picking up the game.

.................It's the eye of the tiger, it's the thrill of the fight Risin' up to the challenge of our rival And the last known survivor stalks his prey in the night And he's watchin' us all with the eye of the tiger...............
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#102 - 2012-06-29 00:16:28 UTC
FWEDDIT are awesome... however its not just fweddit.

Many corps in amarr or at least some members in them are trying hard with the time they have plexing and mixing in pew time. It's good to see some fog and gloom lifting in militia chat, long slog ahead though for us. to even consider using LP for system control we have some hard work ahead heh.

P.S. **** me plexing sucks ass.
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#103 - 2012-06-29 02:22:58 UTC
Ash Stewart wrote:
subtle turtle wrote:
For the minimatar who claim that the goon intervention didn't help them and OMG WE HOLD 56 SYSTEMS BECAUSE WE ARE SOOOO GOOOOD, you don't think that the influx of plexing alts helped? I know that a HUGE number of amarr pilots even had plexing alts, working against their own side, because the rewards were too much to resist. Also, an IN slicer for plexing or PVP is very pricey for an Amarr pilot on LP, a SFI costs you less than a frigate for us. Do you think that this had NOTHING to do with your ability to control systems?
I have spent the past month plexing up systems, defensive plexing (for 0 reward) and PVPing to help the amarr side. It felt like CRAP to plex all day, yet still see you guys at tier 4 or 5 the next morning. It felt even worse to discover that there was a reason for this beyond the broken mechanics of the plexing system, the clearly unfair NPC balance, and the disorganization on the Amarr side. I went out to plex last night, then decided "screw it, it's not worth working against this stupid mechanic any more."
We don't need a system reset. However, I feel like every amarr pilot needs to petition EVERY LOST SHIP for the last month, since we lost them fighting against a broken mechanic that we had no chance of winning against.
If you Minimatar think that this whole thing was OK, and that the "whole thing will balance out in the end" SCREW YOU. You should be just as pissed as we are about a stupid game mechanic favoring one side. I was very excited by the changes, those first few days after the patch were AWESOME, getting fights, making ISK, and enjoying the prospect of a new warzone. Since then it has been a demoralizing slog through stupid plex after stupid plex, and the fact that we had no chance of ever making progress or bumping up a tier just proves how broken this system is.


We have a hard slog defencive plexing our systems for no gain too!
And yes, its painful, its boring..............we hate it!

I honestly believe that we need some LP for defencive plexing too (though not as much as offensive plexing) to take the sting off it.
By the way, FWEDDIT ARE REALLY DAMAGING OUR STORE RIGHT NOW.. so you guys ARE picking up the game.

Have the Minnies just realised what a difference the E-War (Target Painters) their NPCs had was making. No goons propping you up AND the removal of E-War which made speed tanking a somewhat viable proposition for Amarr Militia and your LP store has crashed... Lol
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#104 - 2012-06-29 03:48:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Veshta Yoshida
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
...P.S. **** me plexing sucks ass.

Could be worse. It could be pure EHP grind like in null .... Blink
Har Harrison wrote:
Have the Minnies just realised what a difference the E-War (Target Painters) their NPCs had was making....

What ever do you mean, everything was Fair and Balanced™, now CCP broke it!!! .. Big smile

Kidding aside, how much of a difference does the removal of the painters make for the solo endeavour?
Kary Franks
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#105 - 2012-06-29 07:18:09 UTC
I don't understand why some of the Amarr want a reset.

1) Goons chose Minmatar FW because we already had the systems under control (no need to participate in flipping systems)
2) They only needed initial LP investment for LP Store items
3) They manipulated and got all the LP for the operation
4) Upgrade systems to get best store
5) Cash in

The Goons did not really need to grind plexes that much to get the initial LP needed for the op. They just "bought" more lp once they got the initial LP.

In my opinion their contribution to plexing has been exaggerated.

Also.

I see Amarr speedtankers plexing in our plexes. Sure you need more training than 1 week to manage it, but not that much more. I hope CCP changes the mechanics so that you need to clear the rats in plexes to capture it. Timer is just silly. But the mechanic is what is it atm and hope it becomes better in the future.

As for LP farming system dominance has its downside too. Amarr can plex in more systems and that way it is easier and once you get that LP store running at some point you can cash in with your saved up LPs. For us the plexing LP and missioning is harder due to lesser amount of systems (more wts present to interfere). So there is a balance of sort in the FW eventhough you don't always see it.

Just undock and get out there. Do plexes and fight. FW has been a lot more fun after Inferno and we have had lots of fights and locals are filled with gfs. (and BIG PLAYS) which reminds me... extra special thanks to Fweddit. You guys are the best!
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2012-06-29 09:14:07 UTC
Kary Franks wrote:
I don't understand why some of the Amarr want a reset.

1) Goons chose Minmatar FW because we already had the systems under control (no need to participate in flipping systems)
2) They only needed initial LP investment for LP Store items
3) They manipulated and got all the LP for the operation
4) Upgrade systems to get best store
5) Cash in

The Goons did not really need to grind plexes that much to get the initial LP needed for the op. They just "bought" more lp once they got the initial LP.

In my opinion their contribution to plexing has been exaggerated.

Also.

I see Amarr speedtankers plexing in our plexes. Sure you need more training than 1 week to manage it, but not that much more. I hope CCP changes the mechanics so that you need to clear the rats in plexes to capture it. Timer is just silly. But the mechanic is what is it atm and hope it becomes better in the future.

As for LP farming system dominance has its downside too. Amarr can plex in more systems and that way it is easier and once you get that LP store running at some point you can cash in with your saved up LPs. For us the plexing LP and missioning is harder due to lesser amount of systems (more wts present to interfere). So there is a balance of sort in the FW eventhough you don't always see it.

Just undock and get out there. Do plexes and fight. FW has been a lot more fun after Inferno and we have had lots of fights and locals are filled with gfs. (and BIG PLAYS) which reminds me... extra special thanks to Fweddit. You guys are the best!

NOW that Amarr can speed tank, we are starting to see more Minnies asking for plexing balance to remove speed tanking. Lulz. Welcome to what Amarr have had to deal with for years...
Kary Franks
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#107 - 2012-06-29 10:34:13 UTC
Har Harrison wrote:
NOW that Amarr can speed tank, we are starting to see more Minnies asking for plexing balance to remove speed tanking. Lulz. Welcome to what Amarr have had to deal with for years...


You imply that I care about your speed tanking. I was giving your previous solution +1. Current plexes do not feel realistic and that is why I'd like them to be different. It should feel like you warp in and destroy the opposing forces and lay waste to their outpost. Current timer is.... well lame. Anyways.... that is what we have atm and you just need to adapt. Hope it gets better in the future.

With Amarr speedtankers I meant that even before the removal of EWAR there have been Amarr frigs capturing our plexes solo. I should have been more precise with my text.

Anyway. What you really need to ask yourself is why have we been able to plex solo in your systems safely. I mean it is not very hard to undock and go chase out plexers from your systems. However, for some reason it is very easy to do plexes in your systems (even if they have amarr presence in system). Are the doughnuts in the station cafeteria that good, that you don't bother to undock to protect your system? Oh right, no LP from that.

I am happy to hunt the speed tanking Amarr plexers in our systems. I suggest you do the same.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#108 - 2012-06-29 13:36:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Plexes should be something like this.

-Warp in, there is a spawn of NPC. This is a fairly easily dealt with spawn relative to plex size.
-Sit on button as usual.
-No further NPC spawn until 1 minute before completion of timer.
-At the last minute another larger 'reinforcement spawn' arrives and also has to be despatched to complete the plex even if the timer reaches complete.

In a major plex, for example, it should be possible for a solo ship to deal with the NPC, but if you want to kill the spawn faster and complete the plex within the last minute of the timer you may need to bring a couple of wingmen so you are not still killing NPC's long after the timer finishes.

The advantage here is that if it looks like there is going to be some PvP coming your way, you can simply avoid running the timer into the last minute until the fight is over. I realise the scope for abuse here, but you will see it coming a mile off.

This gives a very large window for PvP to happen without NPC interference. But also means that people plexing have to actually fit some guns and chose a plex in keeping with the size and capability of ship they are willing to risk.

Combine that with timers counting backwards once the plex is vacated without being completed and i think you have moved the emphasis of plexing towards the PvP end of things.

Perhaps, if the plex counts all the way back to zero, the NPC spawns and such reset.