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Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2012-06-29 01:56:40 UTC
Nachteule Kohen wrote:
it seems like the yanks ...

the problem with americans is that they are selfish and "unique". they emphasize on the word "I". "I PAY TAXES" no you *******, we pay taxes. WE.


I always find it funny with foreigners with funny accents think their opinions matter in American domestic politics. Lol
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#42 - 2012-06-29 01:58:54 UTC
I will never understand the logic behind handing over the health of a nation to a group of people who see you as a way to make a profit. Decent levels of healthcare should be available to everyone.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust
#43 - 2012-06-29 02:02:00 UTC
funny to see how hard is for many so-much-civilized US fellas to understand they still like to live in a medieval era where if you cant afford buying a castle, an armor, a horse and a sword so you deserve to die. Ah yeah, it's called "capitalism" up there LoL

and of course being (trying to at least) responsable for anyone else is called "socialism"

freaking smartass doods!

open your eyes!! make a trip, visit the world, READ SOMETHING!!! social health care is a reality all over the world since the concept of democracy was born!! And I didn't say "democracies" but "concept of democracy". When democracies were born, the so-called social healthcare was an obvious consequence.

spoken like a true european civilized man, who pay taxes and has free health care! Of course I'm also free to have all the private assistance I can pay for. Unbelievable eh? So many socialists still alive and most of all (mentally) healthy

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2012-06-29 02:02:41 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
I will never understand the logic behind handing over the health of a nation to a group of people who see you as a way to make a profit. Decent levels of healthcare should be available to everyone.


Everyone who cares enough about their health. I say obese people shouldn't have any healthcare because they're fat

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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2012-06-29 02:06:02 UTC
Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust wrote:
funny to see how hard is for many so-much-civilized US fellas to understand they still like to live in a medieval era where if you cant afford buying a castle, an armor, a horse and a sword so you deserve to die. Ah yeah, it's called "capitalism" up there LoL

and of course being (trying to at least) responsable for anyone else is called "socialism"

freaking smartass doods!

open your eyes!! make a trip, visit the world, READ SOMETHING!!! social health care is a reality all over the world since the concept of democracy was born!! And I didn't say "democracies" but "concept of democracy". When democracies were born, the so-called social healthcare was an obvious consequence.

spoken like a true european civilized man, who pay taxes and has free health care! Of course I'm also free to have all the private assistance I can pay for. Unbelievable eh? So many socialists still alive and most of all (mentally) healthy

Have you looked at the debt level of PIIGS and Cyprus lately?

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#46 - 2012-06-29 02:09:37 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
Nachteule Kohen wrote:
it seems like the yanks ...

the problem with americans is that they are selfish and "unique". they emphasize on the word "I". "I PAY TAXES" no you *******, we pay taxes. WE.


I always find it funny with foreigners with funny accents think their opinions matter in American domestic politics. Lol

That doesn't make them wrong ^^

There should be a rather awesome pic here
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2012-06-29 02:10:13 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
Ok. Let us start something productive here. I bet 10 isk that this law will be repealed. Who wants to take my bet?


I think Republicans can hit 60 Senate seats.

My only worry is that all our hopes are now on the shoulders of the guy who thought up Obamneycare to begin with which is hilariously tragic.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2012-06-29 02:16:13 UTC
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
Jada Maroo wrote:
Nachteule Kohen wrote:
it seems like the yanks ...

the problem with americans is that they are selfish and "unique". they emphasize on the word "I". "I PAY TAXES" no you *******, we pay taxes. WE.


I always find it funny with foreigners with funny accents think their opinions matter in American domestic politics. Lol

That doesn't make them wrong ^^


I'm pretty sure it does

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Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust
#49 - 2012-06-29 02:19:19 UTC
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Have you looked at the debt level of PIIGS and Cyprus lately?

so, when you should be looking at your own ass you look at the other side of the world. That's indeed a good way to let the chinese buy some more of YOUR national debt mawhuwahah

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Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#50 - 2012-06-29 02:19:53 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
I will never understand the logic behind handing over the health of a nation to a group of people who see you as a way to make a profit. Decent levels of healthcare should be available to everyone.


Everyone who cares enough about their health. I say obese people shouldn't have any healthcare because they're fat


Well, perhaps those who don't have any medical condition that causes them to be fat, maybe. I have to wonder, if the people I see complaining about other people having "free" healthcare weren't able to pay for their own healthcare, if for some reason they found themselves destitute, would they still have the same attitude?

Constitution of The United States of America wrote:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2012-06-29 02:24:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jada Maroo
Copine Callmeknau wrote:

That doesn't make them wrong ^^


Well, it does actually, since they don't know what they're talking about. If they want to be nanny state socialists and have socialized medicine, fine. That's why I don't live in Europe.

But we're not talking about socialized medicine. Obamacare forces every American to enter a contract with a private health insurer under threat of tax penalty. I will repeat this for the slow. Every American must, by government dictate, give money to private health insurers.

As a libertarian/conservative, the notion that the government could force me into any contract is something I find offensive. In fact, they can't, which is why they can only penalize you if you refuse. But that is still force.

Regardless, I have to wonder why any leftist or Eurosocialist would support Obamacare or even argue against its opponents. I would think socialists would be as disgusted by it as conservatives are.

But they're not -- because Obama supported it.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2012-06-29 02:28:49 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:


Well, perhaps those who don't have any medical condition that causes them to be fat, maybe. I have to wonder, if the people I see complaining about other people having "free" healthcare weren't able to pay for their own healthcare, if for some reason they found themselves destitute, would they still have the same attitude?



Well that problem will solve itself fast

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Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust
#53 - 2012-06-29 02:30:06 UTC
Quote:
Every American must, by government dictate, give money to private health insurers.

sorry for the slow reasoning, but could it be because hospitals are held by privateers in the US? Who eventually will have (read: must) offer their services "for free" in some situations? Just wondering, but I feel there's some secret mechanics under that terrible injustice you have to face.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2012-06-29 02:32:52 UTC
Damn government also makes me pay for car and motorcycle insurance and says I have to wear a helmet when riding my bike Evil

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Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2012-06-29 02:33:01 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:


Constitution of The United States of America wrote:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


That's cute how you can use Wikipedia while trying to debate something you know nothing about. I will teach you.

"With respect to the two words 'general welfare,' I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." --James Madison

But surely, you know more about the intent of the Framers than James Madison.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#56 - 2012-06-29 02:33:50 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
I will never understand the logic behind handing over the health of a nation to a group of people who see you as a way to make a profit. Decent levels of healthcare should be available to everyone.


Everyone who cares enough about their health. I say obese people shouldn't have any healthcare because they're fat


Well, perhaps those who don't have any medical condition that causes them to be fat, maybe. I have to wonder, if the people I see complaining about other people having "free" healthcare weren't able to pay for their own healthcare, if for some reason they found themselves destitute, would they still have the same attitude?

Constitution of The United States of America wrote:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.



No I'm pretty sure its the 3 big macs a day and never leaving the sofa that is making them fat.

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Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-06-29 02:40:24 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Damn government also makes me pay for car and motorcycle insurance and says I have to wear a helmet when riding my bike Evil


The federal government doesn't! Because it can't. Although it probably can now. At the very least, it could say "you must have car insurance or face a tax penalty" or "you must have a dental plan or pay the IRS." Literally, under today's decision, you could be penalized for not buying HBO if some crazy Congress and President dictated it.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2012-06-29 02:42:35 UTC
Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust wrote:
Quote:
Every American must, by government dictate, give money to private health insurers.

sorry for the slow reasoning, but could it be because hospitals are held by privateers in the US? Who eventually will have (read: must) offer their services "for free" in some situations? Just wondering, but I feel there's some secret mechanics under that terrible injustice you have to face.

I used to work for a hospital in US. The hospital was organized and registered as a nonprofit organization. Those are not just words, it is legal status. Anyway. It was turning up profit regularly. It was making so much profit, they had to spend it on stuff, like sponsor local baseball stadium. They recently finished building their new hospital complex, several buildings, and are sponsoring a pharmacy school. They just keep making money... even though they are a nonprofit organization.

Here is their not for profit explanation thingy: http://www.parkview.com/About/Pages/NotForProfit.aspx

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#59 - 2012-06-29 02:44:22 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Damn government also makes me pay for car and motorcycle insurance and says I have to wear a helmet when riding my bike Evil



No helmets up here yet! But with the way people drive you may as well put on the neck brace before you leave the house. Oh but its so nice to hear the distant roar of 50 bikes on the freeway again.

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Eddie Monaghan
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#60 - 2012-06-29 04:27:29 UTC
I've a friend that has already seen changes as a result of this. His Doctors Office called him and informed him they will no longer be accepting ANY insurance whatsoever and will only accept cash, check, or credit card as payment. Now that we HAVE to buy/carry insurance, Insurance will skyrocket. This will result in people and employers that would rather pay the fines than pay the 10x cost of Insurance today. This will cause Insurance Companies to go out of business and we'll be forced to rely on Government Health Care, which from my experience with Veterans Affairs I can honestly tell you first hand that it's crap. 6 months to get an appointment. Shove tons of meds at you and never treat the problem. They're rude, snide, condescending, and will flat out tell you that something is your problem, not theirs when you need something.

I once went in for an appointment to address neck and back pain from a serious accident in Iraq (Bradley Fighting Vehicle drivers hatch whapped me on the head, making me an inch shorter than when I got to Iraq in 2004). Before I got a single word out, I was called a druggie and told to get out of his Office. I'd never met this doctor before. I don't like pain killers, so I was there to inquire about massage therapy to help manage pain. By the way, the Government doesn't recognize massage, if they are paying for it, as a legitimate medical need.

Government Health Care is huge rooms with rows and rows of beds and 3 nurses, for you to wait in for medical care.

I'm afraid this is no longer the Country I Pledged my Oath to April 21 1997. We'll see, maybe The People will wake up and protest the things our Government does. One can hope, after all, it's all I have.

- Lo they do call to me. They bid me take my place among them, in the halls of Valhalla. Where the brave may live forever.