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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#21 - 2012-06-28 23:44:19 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:

Nine-day stay in hospital last summer-- it did, and will, cost me exactly zero. And


You pay no taxes then? Unemployed? Because that's the only way you're paying zero. What is it with you people who seem to think just because you don't directly pay the service provider that the service is free? You think those doctors and nurses are volunteers?


This usual tripe is informed by the usual assumption by Americans that taxes in Canada are outrageously high. They are not, especially compared to a lot of places in Europe or UK. Yes, I pay taxes. The difference compared to the GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD(TM) is really not that much, in exchange for a whole lot more, and that my taxes actually go to help finance running the country instead of arms-manufacturers.

And I've been unemployed a number of times over the last 4 years during which I paid no taxes--because I made no money, and that included the time of my little "detour" to hospital--and I was still 100% covered.

Change your mentality, Yanks--becoming ill or injured is not a "crime" that must be "punished."

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-06-28 23:45:47 UTC
My own personal plan for dealing with Obamacare: assure that we are under 50 employees and if not fire as many as it takes to get there (we're more like 30, but I need to see what all qualifies as an employee).

Then I'm going to have a sit down with our employees and basically tell them this: we can drop all your coverage and pay the penalties because it is cheaper than actually paying for the health plan and you can bring home more of your money and just pay your own meager penalty to go without coverage and buy it when you actually need it... or you can enjoy paying more for less under Obamacare.
Alara IonStorm
#23 - 2012-06-28 23:45:53 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
Because that's the only way you're paying zero. What is it with you people who seem to think just because you don't directly pay the service provider that the service is free? You think those doctors and nurses are volunteers?

No but a lot less of that money is going to the middlemen.

Healthcare costs per capita and percentage of the GDP.

1 United States 7,960 17.4
6 Canada 4,363 11.4

Cheaper per person and overall. Meanwhile the US manages to have more then our entire population uninsured while costing more.
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-06-28 23:56:24 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:


Change your mentality, Yanks



I don't have to, actually. That's why nations exist. Not every nation needs to do the same as all others. Just as not every state in the United States needs to do the same. The court also said, as I understand it, that the government cannot penalize states that refuse to implement Obamacare by withholding Medicare funds. This may well mean that some states - which I believeTexas will be one of - will simply tell Obama and Justice Roberts what they can go do with themselves.

I've no intention of seeing the healthcare system in the US mimmick the UK or Canadian systems and my vote and political donations will continue to push against it. At least, once Romney wins the presidency, I can take heart in the fact that everyone gets an immediate waiver from this constitutional atrocity.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-06-28 23:56:36 UTC
I like my private awesome health care. My longest wait time to see a specialist is about an hour Big smile

I've lived in places with socialized medicine and a trip to the doctor is an all day event. It's good to be in the upper 10% of the population Cool

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Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-06-28 23:59:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jada Maroo
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
I like my private awesome health care. My longest wait time to see a specialist is about an hour Big smile

I've lived in places with socialized medicine and a trip to the doctor is an all day event. It's good to be in the upper 10% of the population Cool


Agreed! No way am I taking part in any health care exchange. I don't want some plebeian coverage designed for the unwashed masses.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#27 - 2012-06-29 00:05:10 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Jada Maroo wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:

Nine-day stay in hospital last summer-- it did, and will, cost me exactly zero. And


You pay no taxes then? Unemployed? Because that's the only way you're paying zero. What is it with you people who seem to think just because you don't directly pay the service provider that the service is free? You think those doctors and nurses are volunteers?


This usual tripe is informed by the usual assumption by Americans that taxes in Canada are outrageously high. They are not, especially compared to a lot of places in Europe or UK. Yes, I pay taxes. The difference compared to the GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD(TM) is really not that much, in exchange for a whole lot more, and that my taxes actually go to help finance running the country instead of arms-manufacturers.

And I've been unemployed a number of times over the last 4 years during which I paid no taxes--because I made no money, and that included the time of my little "detour" to hospital--and I was still 100% covered.

Change your mentality, Yanks--becoming ill or injured is not a "crime" that must be "punished."


Would you be so kind as to point out where Jada said you guys have high taxes?

I also appreciate how you grouped many people into one lump sum and assume we all have the same idea even though I have already stated that we should have either stayed at our current position or go straight to socialized healthcare.

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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#28 - 2012-06-29 00:05:16 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
I like my private awesome health care. My longest wait time to see a specialist is about an hour Big smile

I've lived in places with socialized medicine and a trip to the doctor is an all day event. It's good to be in the upper 10% of the population Cool


Never happened to me, even in hospital.

Besides, the option for private care is freely available here.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#29 - 2012-06-29 00:11:25 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:

Would you be so kind as to point out where Jada said you guys have high taxes?

I also appreciate how you grouped many people into one lump sum and assume we all have the same idea even though I have already stated that we should have either stayed at our current position or go straight to socialized healthcare.


Same un-spoken myth, every damned time--doesn't need to be said anymore Roll

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#30 - 2012-06-29 00:14:49 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:

Would you be so kind as to point out where Jada said you guys have high taxes?

I also appreciate how you grouped many people into one lump sum and assume we all have the same idea even though I have already stated that we should have either stayed at our current position or go straight to socialized healthcare.


Same un-spoken myth, every damned time--doesn't need to be said anymore Roll



Thanks, I'll be sure to keep in mind that you prefer to just put words in mouth as you go along.

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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#31 - 2012-06-29 00:16:07 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:

Would you be so kind as to point out where Jada said you guys have high taxes?

I also appreciate how you grouped many people into one lump sum and assume we all have the same idea even though I have already stated that we should have either stayed at our current position or go straight to socialized healthcare.


Same un-spoken myth, every damned time--doesn't need to be said anymore Roll



Thanks, I'll be sure to keep in mind that you prefer to just put words in mouth as you go along.



We aim to please!

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Alara IonStorm
#32 - 2012-06-29 00:22:59 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:

Thanks, I'll be sure to keep in mind that you prefer to just put words in mouth as you go along.

Free speech is under rated. Ve vill be cutting da vocal cords and installing speaker in your mouth.

Hold still Herr Dietrich this von't hurt a bit. Doctor Alara MengeleStorm vill be done with ya in a moment.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-06-29 00:39:12 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
I like my private awesome health care. My longest wait time to see a specialist is about an hour Big smile

I've lived in places with socialized medicine and a trip to the doctor is an all day event. It's good to be in the upper 10% of the population Cool


Agreed! No way am I taking part in any health care exchange. I don't want some plebeian coverage designed for the unwashed masses.


Why do they even need it? Don't they breed fast enough to replenish their numbers anyway?

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#34 - 2012-06-29 00:54:19 UTC
Master Gotama wrote:
personally as an employed, tax paying citizen, i don't like paying for freeloaders to get their healthcare at my expense.

And I don't like having my tax money spent on prisons, unnecessary military advancement, or business subsidisation


Unfortunately for us both there isn't a 'Where would you like your tax dollars spent?' field at the end of the tax form.

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stoicfaux
#35 - 2012-06-29 01:00:38 UTC
If it helps any, RomneyCare in Massachusetts is working. The people, the employers and the insurances companies seem to like it.

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/03/romneycare-facts-and-falsehoods/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/study-romneycare-is-making-massachusetts-healthier/2011/08/25/gIQA524T7R_blog.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2012/01/20/romney-care-massachusetts-healthcare-reform/

Personally, I'm looking forward to Obama publicly congratulating Romney on how well RomneyCare is working for the citizens of Massachusetts.


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Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-06-29 01:12:49 UTC
I'm sure there are a lot of things they do in Massachusetts that the people of Massachusetts like. Those people are welcome to live there.
Nachteule Kohen
#37 - 2012-06-29 01:23:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Nachteule Kohen
it seems like the yanks that do not want free health care never got sick or aren't sick. when you get old you'll most likely need it, that's why a lot of americans flee to canada in their older days. (canada isn't the only country with free health care)

americans need to realize the world isn't a shopping mall and you don't need an abundance of wealth in order to buy everything sold... most people are fine with just a desk/computer/kitchen/bathroom and a bed. but americans seem to think life means owning 2 cars, 2 bathrooms, 3 consoles and the list goes on... then when your economy slows down you cry because you can't afford the latest trends.

it's much more relaxed in canada, especially europe, you don't see people going on shopping sprees like its mandatory requirement in order to fit in society...

what about people who are mentally ill, disabled? can't you be nice enough to pay more taxes to help your surroundings so they can have lives as well? just because you haven't been hospitalized yet doesn't mean you're special. an accident can happen randomly and that's when your life will change.

if life revolved around lucky individuals who's lives never has been cursed by health care needs, the population of earth would decrease, since it would all be like africa.

the problem with americans is that they are selfish and "unique". they emphasize on the word "I". "I PAY TAXES" no you *******, we pay taxes. WE.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-06-29 01:29:52 UTC
Nachteule Kohen wrote:
it seems like the yanks that do not want free health care never got sick or aren't sick. when you get old you'll most likely need it, that's why a lot of americans flee to canada in their older days. (canada isn't the only country with free health care)

americans need to realize the world isn't a shopping mall and you don't need an abundance of wealth in order to buy everything sold... most people are fine with just a desk/computer/kitchen/bathroom and a bed. but americans seem to think life means owning 2 cars, 2 bathrooms, 3 consoles and the list goes on... then when your economy slows down you cry because you can't afford the latest trends.

it's much more relaxed in canada, especially europe, you don't see people going on shopping sprees like its mandatory requirement in order to fit in society...

what about people who are mentally ill, disabled? can't you be nice enough to pay more taxes to help your surroundings so they can have lives as well? just because you haven't been hospitalized yet doesn't mean you're special. an accident can happen randomly and that's when your life will change.

if life revolved around lucky individuals who's lives never has been cursed by health care needs, the population of earth would decrease, since it would all be like africa.

the problem with americans is that they are selfish and "unique". they emphasize on the word "I". "I PAY TAXES" no you *******, we pay taxes. WE.


I support eugenics

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#39 - 2012-06-29 01:39:04 UTC
Nachteule Kohen wrote:
it seems like the yanks that do not want free health care never got sick or aren't sick. when you get old you'll most likely need it, that's why a lot of americans flee to canada in their older days. (canada isn't the only country with free health care)

americans need to realize the world isn't a shopping mall and you don't need an abundance of wealth in order to buy everything sold... most people are fine with just a desk/computer/kitchen/bathroom and a bed. but americans seem to think life means owning 2 cars, 2 bathrooms, 3 consoles and the list goes on... then when your economy slows down you cry because you can't afford the latest trends.

it's much more relaxed in canada, especially europe, you don't see people going on shopping sprees like its mandatory requirement in order to fit in society...

what about people who are mentally ill, disabled? can't you be nice enough to pay more taxes to help your surroundings so they can have lives as well? just because you haven't been hospitalized yet doesn't mean you're special. an accident can happen randomly and that's when your life will change.

if life revolved around lucky individuals who's lives never has been cursed by health care needs, the population of earth would decrease, since it would all be like africa.

the problem with americans is that they are selfish and "unique". they emphasize on the word "I". "I PAY TAXES" no you *******, we pay taxes. WE.



I also appreciate how you have decided to lump a large sum of people into one group and describe how we all think as one hive mind.

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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-06-29 01:53:38 UTC
Ok. Let us start something productive here. I bet 10 isk that this law will be repealed. Who wants to take my bet?

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