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BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-06-01 19:52:13 UTC
I want to be able to fly the firetail. Help em with some fits and strategy. It seems like the firetail is simply missing somethign (an extra mid would be nice).

The fit I came up with is

200mm ac

gisti b - ab
named microwarp
warp scram II
balmer tracking disruptor

named damage control
gyro stab II
100mm reinforced


Small projectile collis
anti-thermal shield rigs
small core defense


EHP around 4.3k but its pure resis tanked.

I put the 100mm plate in there because speed isnt an issue and I did not want to take a midslot away for shield. Ive seen shield fits but it seems that the shield is pure buffer and without any ewar it doesnt look like the firetail will survive. I figured the fight should be about the approach?

Id like to fly this ship as it just seems cool, but gimpy

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-06-01 20:52:50 UTC
1. Don't mix armor and shield tank.
2. Don't dual prop and track disrupt.

I don't know the Firetail personally but I'ld fit a med extender in the mid and drop the ab for a web.
Korg Tronix
Mole Station Nursery
#3 - 2012-06-01 21:21:28 UTC
You are nearly there, the best lows are a 200mm plate, SAR and DCU. A weapon rig with some armour rigs gives you the best chance, the shield I find a little weak, decent buffer but the dps isn't high enough to brawl stuff properly. The Jaguar does everything a shield firetail does but with better buffer/dps. The Armour fit has surprise!

Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams]
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#4 - 2012-06-01 21:28:35 UTC
I agree with Lunkwill, armor and shield tanking along with dual-prop and TD seems a very weird fit. I'd try something more like this:

[Republic Fleet Firetail, PvP]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Local Hull Conversion Nanofiber Structure I

Gistii B-Type 1MN Afterburner
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Medium Shield Extender II

200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
[empty high slot]

Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Projectile Burst Aerator I

6.1k EHP, 151 DPS, 1655m/s with 44m sig with all 5s. It requires pretty much perfect fitting skills, but dropping to a named MSE gives a lot more wiggle-room if needed.
Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-06-17 01:29:43 UTC
This might be somewhat of a necro rez, but whatever. I'm REALLY trying to find a good fit for this that doesn't DIAF to almost everything. I can get these for a dime a dozen but want to not LOSE them a dime a dozen.

Mainly I know nothing about it but heard not good things. Please convince me that it can work!

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-06-17 03:16:43 UTC
I think Firetail is sort of smaller Jaguar.

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Eat dessert first!
Garnoo
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2012-06-17 07:25:50 UTC
firetail is stil to waek compared to other AF's :(

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Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-06-17 21:26:13 UTC
Garnoo wrote:
firetail is stil to waek compared to other AF's :(


Obviously. It's not an AF.
Korg Tronix
Mole Station Nursery
#9 - 2012-06-17 21:55:25 UTC
the only viable firetail fits now are the armour ones either with a dual web or web td otherwise they are surpassed by a fairly large number frigates including t1s.

Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams]
Aliaksandre
Screaming Hayabusa
#10 - 2012-06-18 13:37:19 UTC
Firetail can kite nicely with its superior speed, web, and TD.

Or you can try kiting with a shield buffer, web, and arties.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-06-18 14:09:05 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
Firetails are between a rifter and a jag. So fly it like one, You can still risk it like a rifter, but with more punch/ ablity like a jag.
Note its not as "good" as a jag and you will still get 10 rifters for every firetail.

Did you know a single TD with range scrip will force a turret kiter (frig) to within web range?

[Republic Fleet Firetail, Anti Slicer]
Gyrostabilizer II
Co-Processor II
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II
1MN Afterburner II
Tracking Disruptor II, Optimal Range Disruption Script

200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
[empty high slot]

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Anti-Explosive Pump I
Small Anti-Kinetic Pump I

Nice chunky tank, get the target in scram range then change the range scrip for tracking and melt theyre face.

Generic fleet Shield Firetail...

[Republic Fleet Firetail, fleet Pvp]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Overdrive Injector System II

1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II

150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S
[empty high slot]

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I

Generic shield solo pvp...

[Republic Fleet Firetail, Solo]
Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Medium Shield Extender II
1MN Afterburner II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II

200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
[empty high slot]

Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I

No Worries
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#12 - 2012-06-18 14:19:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Christine Peeveepeeski
I use it as a slicer wannabee with arties, and massive speed. no tank mods.

I swap my mids out for flavour.

ECCM, TD, sensor damps and webs are all perfectly viable for the 2 spare mid-slots you should have. the sensor damp and TD allow you to take on multiple opponents. The eccm overheated will allow you to ignore ECM (although you'll get jams in against you now and then).

Of course you can also use ecm faggotry but I only do that if my objective is not GF's.

Close range firetails are great if you rock TD's but against more than 1 opponent you'll probably lose it.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-06-19 03:01:48 UTC
Garr Earthbender wrote:
This might be somewhat of a necro rez, but whatever. I'm REALLY trying to find a good fit for this that doesn't DIAF to almost everything. I can get these for a dime a dozen but want to not LOSE them a dime a dozen.

Mainly I know nothing about it but heard not good things. Please convince me that it can work!


It's honestly not a good enough ship to dump time and effort into making it a tiger. Look into assault frigates and you'll be much happier.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#14 - 2012-06-29 01:04:14 UTC
I have been flying the Firetail for a month and find it to be very underwhelming as far as Faction Frigates goes. VS the other navy ships, the Firetail just seems to be the bottom of the barrel. Every other frigate fills it's roll so well that the Firetail, being "just average", doesn't compete.

Against a Slicer it's predictable: You're just not as fast and don't have the range, so you get kited until you die.

Against a Hookbill, you get out-tanked and out-DPS'd, and if they're dual webbed you're not out-running them. Game over.

Against a Comet you get kited and killed by drones.

I've learned from fighting the other faction frigates that it's better to excel at 1 thing than to do 3 jobs "just average". As far as DPS, speed, and tank goes, the Firetail is just "average", and therefore, comes in last.

The only really good thing I have to say about the Firetail is that you it's versatile so you don't have to fly the same fit all the time. But this also why it fails, because you trade effectiveness for the versatility.

This is not to say that I don't enjoy the Firetail - I certainly do. In gangs. Where it can run as medium/secondary tackle and/or support with dual webs or dual TD's. But as far as solo PvP goes, it's not good for much more than ganking T1 frigates. Now that I'm getting into flying more varities of ships, I'll be putting my Firetails on standby for gangs.

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Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#15 - 2012-06-29 13:26:08 UTC
The firetail is indeed a but subpar, especially when you take into consideration that it is completly outclassed by the Dramiel. However, since everybody know that Firetail is bad you get more fights than with a Dramiel :-)

Anyway, I think the Firetail should have a unique feature and this should be a small signature. Currently it has the same signature as a Rifter which is 35m. This is just nonsense especially when you see that Jaguar and Wolf have smaller signatures. I think CCP should change the base signature of the Firetail to something like 25m. This would be really a unique selling point for the Firetail inline with Minmatar fighting style without making it overpowered.