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Time to make cargo scanners unusable in Highsec

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Zora'e
#121 - 2012-06-28 01:18:59 UTC
While this character and my alternates can fly Jump freighters I don't bother doing so. If I buy a ship somewhere, or even a bunch of ships somewhere, I fly in a cov-ops to where they are located at, fit them out individually for travel and move them one by one. Occasionally I will use a blockade runner or a regular hauler fit for fast align and warp if the cargo isn't something easily moved in the belly of a Battleship.

I've been targeted a couple times in my haulers but only because I actually sat on a gate long enough to look at someone (usually because their name interested me). I've been ganked a cpl times in my entire EVE career, and every single time it was because I was NOT paying attention to my character(s).

I've flown cover for freighters as well, and using webbs to launch them into warp as soon as they uncloak works amazingly well and of course, means that by the time someone has scanned them, they are already gone.

I also have a habit of docking up my ships and switching to alt play if my hauler with cargo has been scanned or targetted and coming back to it anywhere from several hours to several days later to finish the move (or if I need the stuff badly enough, switching to a hauler capable no-name alt and transferring the cargo to it for a quick move).

There are ways to avoid being ganked no matter what you are carrying. If you bother to use your head and current game mechanics.

~Z

I won't say you are stupid, but you're not exactly on the Zombie menu either.

Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#122 - 2012-06-28 02:07:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbara Nichole
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
the only use for a cargo scanner in high-sec is to scan ships to see if what their carrying is worth ganking them for it aka piracy.
Its time to put the risk vs reward back into ganking, because the formula for costs for ganking a freighter has long been worked out, removing the ability to use cargo scanners in highsec would then force the jita gankers for example to have to take the RISK that said freighter thats just jumped through the gate might or might not be carrying anything or even enough to cover the costs of the ships and mods used to gank said freighter, which also brings me to the next point.

WHY do faction navys and concord tolerate KNOWN gankers sitting on gates? IRL if the police saw a group of people sat outside a bank in a car and their all known and have records for violent armed robberys of banks they'd take action to remove said bank robbers, so again WHY do faction navys and concord allow known gankers to sit on gates with impunity doing nothing to move them on etc? :)


nice thought but I don't see this ever happening.. yes concord are way too soft on "criminals" in high sec when you consider that the real victims are concord profits. But if you can't scan in high sec.. where else is a cargo scanner going to be useful?

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#123 - 2012-06-28 21:01:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
InternetSpaceship wrote:
reamau wrote:


I have no problem with "hi-sec isn't safe", but I'd like kill rights for a month on every pilot that looted my wreck as well.



You know, that actually does seem reasonable, aside from the looter part. Some day old rookie is just as likely to loot your wreck, and they'd have no idea why you were attacking them.

It would make ganking more dangerous with longer lasting consequences. I'd even go so far as to agree that serial gankers should be attackable without provocation or CONCORD recourse in highsec systems.


The day old Rookie DOES get a warning message that looting the wreck makes them attackable. It doesn't say for how long.

Also, I think perhaps the more habitually someone reduces their security status and raises it again, the harder it should be to raise it back. For one thing, why do rats in nullsec give bounties and sec status? There's no CONCORD out there, right? Then again, removing all that would have a pretty dramatic effect on the game.

Maybe CONCORD standing should be separate from sec status, and losing sec status would make you lose a little bit of CONCORD standing. Then if you get your CONCORD standing too low, raising your sec status won't matter until you run enough missions for CONCORD. At least it would make an additional chore for serial gankers.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#124 - 2012-06-28 21:03:43 UTC
I don't gank ships.

I gank pods.

Its literally the best game ever. You never know what you'll get on the killmail.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#125 - 2012-06-28 21:27:09 UTC
How did this thread make it to seven pages? Is there seriously more than maybe one or two people who support this idea? Ridiculous.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Draconus Lofwyr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#126 - 2012-06-28 21:50:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Draconus Lofwyr
i love all the pirates and greifers who's whole argument is "whahhh, Noooo. don't take my free ride away" while in turn complaining that the care bears want their free ride. sorry, cant have both ways. While this subject has come up before, i don't think they should be removed, but add some "risk" back to the free ride. Make cargo and ship scanners have the same trigger as taking from a jetcan. Oh i'm sorry, your poking around in the innards of my ship, for all you know i may be having illicit relations with my ship ports and don't want to nosing around or looking over my shoulder at next weeks profit numbers. Alarms should go off, i should be informed that someone has breached the integrity of my ships hull for potentially illicit reasons and the tin foil shielding didn't work this time. Now do i want Concord to come to my rescue, no, but having the option of the unknown corpmate in the uber deathship cloaked 5k off my posterior suddenly making your day a living hell does seem to be a valid response, so that i may poke around the innards of your ship an MY leisure.

More PvP for all
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2012-06-28 21:57:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
I don't think that's a reasonable solution at all. For one thing, the gankers have no "free ride" that carebears don't have. If you want to haul stuff around, you should have your head screwed on properly. You should be checking your fittings and judging your cargo value vs. your ship's hit points and the sec status you'll be flying into, as well as the amount of other pilots who will be flying around in the area you're going. Are there likely to be gankers on the way? Can you take another path to get there? Is it worth it?

Those are all things that should go into the hauler's trip assessment. Trust me, that job is MUCH easier than all of the things the gankers have to assess. They choose to do all that hard work because there is no shortage of people who make ganking profitable. But you may notice that when your freighter carrying several billion ISK worth gets ganked in Uedama, all the other 15+ freighters going through the gate at the same time pretty much ignore it. It's not because they're all AFK, sure some of them are but I know a lot of freighter pilots are not, because I'll talk to them sometimes. And they really just don't care that YOU got YOUR freighter blown up because they know THEY aren't worth ganking, because THEY did their research. It's that simple. Live and learn.

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After getting ganked a few times, I figured maybe I should become a ganker. But after trying to do that, I learned it was far easier to just learn to not get ganked.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."