EVE General Discussion

One of the most common complaints I see regarding why hi-sec miners are ganked is a lack of self protection; "Protect yourselves and we wouldn't kill you."

Setting aside for a moment that making most mining ships gank-resistant is not realistic (especially when you've got multiple people attacking you), this ignores the primary tactic used by gankers and it's a tactic that has a rich history in EVE.

Colliding with ships to knock them out of alignment for warping, otherwise known as "bumping." At present there is no defense against this in EVE. And with an extremely cheap frigate and rat loot, I can easily get a ship to go upwards of 3,200 m/s which is usually fast enough to hit a barge spinning up it's warp drive.

Observe:

With a basic frigate and rat loot, I can get a ship up to 3,200 m/s and I'm sure with more skills and a bigger investment, you could easily double that speed.

Your average belt is ~60km from tip to to tip

An aligned and unfitted Hulk, from a dead stop, takes ~17 seconds to spin up it's warp drive and go into warp. If other people have different numbers based on skills/implants/modules, feel free to post it.

Assuming the Hulk is sitting at one end of the belt and a ganker (flying the aforementioned 3,200 m/s) in a bump craft warps in at the other end, the ganker can reach the Hulk in just under 19 seconds.


So the Hulk has about three seconds to see this ship and start warping, again ignoring that a better gank fit ship can go faster. Once the Hulk has been bumped, the gank ship (which has not done anything to be flagged by CONCORD and thus can do this with impunity) sends out the call to his partner(s) who warp in and destroy the Hulk.

The bumper keeps the Hulk from warping and the time involved means virtually no tank a mining ship can fit will hold up. The last information I received regarding CONCORD's response time was 25-30 seconds for a .5-.6 system. If that's out of date, feel free to update.

Math is admittedly not my strong suit, so feel free to double check.



TLDR: You cant protect against bumping.

Uhm... I fail to see the point. Are you moaning about bumping being OP, do you want it nerfed... Are you simply stating a point? I'm lost.

I'm stating a point.

The argument that "if miners just protected themselves, they wouldn't get shot" is irrelevant because there's no way to protect yourself once bumping gets involved.

Miners aren't supposed to protect themselves, they're supposed to pay the goonies for a mining pass...

You might want to talk to James315 about that.

He's been extorting ice miners (long cycle, has to finish) by threatening to bump. Supposedly, he's made 100mil between starting and his first post about it.

Mining while aligned at 3/4 speed = instant warp when you hit the warp to button.

Siege.

Gettin' really tired of telling people to make 4 point bookmarks around the asteroid they are mining and to just keep aligning to them in a box around your roid. You see em on overview, takes a split second and suddenly you're 320k off the belt and now you have plenty of time to align to safety.

Yes there is. Mine in a gang with protection.

This game is meant to be social, and as I already proved, solo miners are better off doing mining missions anyways (And even most gangs in highsec).

Fit an MWD to your hulk, Bump the frig first then warp-out while it tries to line up for another run, if it scrams fit modules to counter it.