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Devalued ISHUKONE Shirt? CCP Marketing Malpractice? [UPDATE]

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Tony Two Bullet
Monocle Madness
#381 - 2012-06-28 18:47:32 UTC

Monocle Madness approves of Dual Wielding Monocles.


Lol

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#382 - 2012-06-28 19:06:22 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:

Ah ah ah.....be careful what you ask for. Functionally identical......a $2 t-shirt is functionally identical to a $100 t-shirt. Sure, they both serve the purpose to cover the body but one has nicer fabrics and is generally more durable. Just like the Isukone Scorpion purportedly by CCP was functionally identical to the regular Scorpion. But, we couldn't get any more details on that other than it was "functionally identical". Some of us actually suspected it would be a p2w item beyond its paint scheme. And I do believe we are entering a period where the words we choose are going to become very very important when dealing with CCP in the next few months.

In the example of the Isukone Scorp.....functionally identical doesn't exactly convey identical characteristics. All BS's are functionally identical. That is to say functionally, they all kill things. How they do it and their efficacy is the real question.

I know I'm going off here about a t-shirt and it doesn't really make any difference in that situation. But I do smell a new effort by CCP to revamp the NeX, which isn't a bad thing except we seem to be taking the same route we did last year. The player financial survey is what is setting me off here. It proceeded the disasters of last year. So, just a word of warning folks.

Be vigilant and make sure to keep your hand on the brakes.

Your definition of functionally identical seems rather broad. Especially in terms of the Isukone Scorp. The published stats indicated that "functionally identical" meant the ship was identical in all ways including stats and fitting and only differed in appearance and description. The idea that all BS's are functionally identical, even using the term more liberally, seems to severely underplay the differences between ships.
Phill Esteen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#383 - 2012-06-28 19:07:34 UTC
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:
Plus, I've done worse.


I think I love you.

– postum faex est – 

never forget
Dheeradj Esil
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#384 - 2012-06-28 22:11:08 UTC
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:

But let's face it. It was a massive screw up ..., Torfi would have seen it and known not to add these items to the Exchange.
Cool

In retrospect yes, but to be frank the NeX store has been in stasis for quite a while and the people that added the Ishukone shirt originally had moved on to other CCP offices or other companies and we didn't have a centralized database of what assets had been used where. We do now.

Plus, I've done worse.



This is......I think......




I love you....

By the same logic, training skills is botting, as it gives an advantage to your character without you being at the keyboard.

-Abdiel Kavash
AetomHaert Mother
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#385 - 2012-06-29 19:29:08 UTC  |  Edited by: AetomHaert Mother
The Antiquarian wrote:
ADDENDUM

ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION SHIRT & WOMEN’S EXECUTOR COAT (RED/GOLD)

Judging by the CCP’s recent action to remove the two highly controversial items from NEX Store, it shows CCP’s admittance on their mistake to release those two items on the NEX Store in the first place.

Removing those two items is an appropriate first step, but that does not provide any reparation for those who were adversely affected by CCP’s marketing failure. Those who took the “leap of faith” in CCP’s are still disenfranchised by seeing billions of their initial investments on these unique shirts turned to “dust” due to the untold number of those shirts being circulated out into the market, thanks to CCP’s mistake of releasing those items for $0.50 on NEX Store.

Obviously CCP can not take away hundreds of ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION SHIRT and WOMEN’S EXECUTOR COAT (RED/GOLD) that were purchased for $0.50 post the recent patch.

CCP needs to make appropriate reparations in forms of another completely unique items to the previous owners of those rare apparels. That is the only “just” and “equitable” action.


I try to keep myself calm, but this is just way too outrageous that I had to vent here again and again.

You, CCP, made it sound as if ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was only available contingent upon the purchase of 13 X PLEXs several months ago. I didn't have to, but I took the damn bait, with the expectation that CCP and its honest marketing department will maintain the "uniqueness" and rarity of these special items.

But you decide to reward those who took that "extra leap of faith" by treating us like ***** and dingleberries and having these same items available for 50 cents each several months later. Where is fairness in this?

CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH!

CCP should make appropriate reparation by rewarding the previous faithful ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT owners with other equivalent UNIQUE items. Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 1.2-1.3B. Now, it costs 11 million to purchase.


So far, this has been the message that CCP has indirectly expressed to all the supporters of Noble Exchange, cash for PLEXs, and all other marketing schemes:

"Thank you for your contribution. You assumed the risk and this is what you get. You will be the laughing stock of the entire community of EVE Online. We will remain mute for the rest of the period. Oh!! And don't forget: we are here sitting behind the desk, laughing at you too!"

Please refer to the following post on the Market Discussion for those who were adversely affected by CCP's recent flooding of pre-existing rare/unique outfits on NEX Store for fraction of their initial costs.



lol, U mad bro?

I honestly cant think of anything else to say. HTFU, or conversely, can I have your stuff?
Doc Mulder
Doomheim
#386 - 2012-06-29 19:36:24 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
Doc Mulder wrote:
I think it's funny.

Just like 30 years ago when my buddy bought an 8088 PC for $5 Grand...and 6 months later it could be had for $900.00. I laughed at him too...


I think it's funny too.

What you say has nothing to do with our issue. We are not talking about the obsolescence of an item...

Wait a minute. Are you teling me my 8088 is obsolete? That really sucks man...
Rikula
Doomheim
#387 - 2012-06-30 02:29:48 UTC
I suppose then the release of this plan is waiting until after the weekend?

Unless I missed it being posted somewhere else!
Ruger Cynbal
The Marshall Group
#388 - 2012-06-30 03:07:01 UTC
Atleast no one lost their Boot.ini files.

Definitely not Jason Marshall.
Croniac
Thunder Chickens
#389 - 2012-06-30 03:08:18 UTC
CCP Spitfire wrote:
DeBingJos wrote:
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:

In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something...

Lol Bi-monocles you say? You might as well give them a radical new name like 'glasses'! Big smile


I believe the correct scientific term is 'binoculars'. Pirate


Or spectacles.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#390 - 2012-06-30 04:19:33 UTC
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Hello, hello again.
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#391 - 2012-06-30 05:32:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
Can we get an assurance from CCP personnel this exact situation won't happen with "blue" Quafe t-shirts in the nearest future?

I've silently sold my stock already (purchased for ~180mil a year ago, sold for 300+) but kept one - just in case it will remain "rare". Right now it seems to be most rare item after red/gold coat and Ishukone shirt were spoiled.
Jett0
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#392 - 2012-06-30 05:36:39 UTC
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:
Update: The ishukone shirt did go out accidentally. Meaning the person picking items for the offers ( me ) wasn't aware of it having been used in a PLEX promotion. Bad bad Torfi. Now that it is out and there is an issue with people that had the shirt prior as a coveted rare collectors item, we have suspended sales on the ishukone shirt while we formulate a plan that's as fair to as many as possible. Expect an update later today on the issue. It's interesting thought that it became the most popular and traded item of the new clothes we put out in Inferno 1.1.

In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something...


Put a fedora up at that price and I bet it'll sell.

Occasionally plays sober
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#393 - 2012-06-30 06:23:56 UTC
I am surprised that CCP would release an identical shirt for a much lower price. Are you sure it's completely identical? It's not a different color or anything? If so, then I really hope they reimburse you for that. By and large, it isn't a huge drag on the EVE economy, but it's a really harsh blow to a handful of players, and they should take that seriously.

Even if I were a selfish prick (which, unfortunately, I'm not) I would feel much better if they reimbursed you, because that would make me feel more safe and secure. I'd be willing to make large investments in EVE, thinking that if a programming error ever took MY stuff away, I would be reimbursed.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
iskflakes
#394 - 2012-06-30 14:18:45 UTC
Any news on this topic?

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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#395 - 2012-07-01 01:51:06 UTC
iskflakes wrote:
Any news on this topic?


Any news on this topic?
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#396 - 2012-07-02 05:53:54 UTC
Are we going to be hearing any response fro CCP soon regarding the matter of reparation?
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#397 - 2012-07-02 05:54:42 UTC
They were taken off the market, holy crap the whining. Your 'investment' was never guaranteed, enjoy your losses.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#398 - 2012-07-02 05:58:52 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
They were taken off the market, holy crap the whining. Your 'investment' was never guaranteed, enjoy your losses.


Umm no. There are certain individuals with billions of assets tied to those investments. Even if CCP did pull those items back, CCP's previous mistake irreparably damaged the original investment that went in to fund those clothings. Ishukone was selling for 1.1B-1.5B (it went up to approximately 2B during the early stage of marketing), but now, despite the CCP's corrective measure, the price is only merely FRACTION of the original cost prior to the marketing debacle.

I will stop complaining when ALL THE PARTIES that were adversely affected, are justly and equitably compensated.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#399 - 2012-07-02 06:02:42 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
They were taken off the market, holy crap the whining. Your 'investment' was never guaranteed, enjoy your losses.


And of course we understand that nothing is guaranteed but we can all make logical assumptions based on the past history of CCP's marketing promotions. For one, we assumed that CCP was a reputable company that joins pantheon of other amazing companies that are absolutely serious when they advertise that certain ingames are obtainable via through "one-time-deal" only. Second, we assumed that although nothing is guaranteed, CCP would never take a drastic action that would deprive investors in a brink of seconds for no apparent reasons.

We are asking for compensation for all the BS that we have been enduring for a week or so. We have every right to whine and moan, until an appropriate compensation is made AND with a CLEAR STATEMENT from CCP regarding their future marketing promotions and promises that they won't reintroduce old historical items again.
qDoctor Strangelove
Doomheim
#400 - 2012-07-02 06:35:22 UTC
I would pay to have the ability to remove clothes...
Not buy new.

XXX EvE would be awesome.