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Thanks for restoring (yes, I'm sure it used to fit them a while back) the fitting of rigs along with modules from a saved fit, but:

It currently fails to fit anything if the riggings skills aren't up to scratch. I'm stuck with 16 time-saving failures to fit because of 1 rig choice in the saved fit.

At least when it can't find the modules from inventory it (used to, haven't retested) just move on to the rest.

Pilots can fly ships that others have rigged for them, with rigs they themselves cannot fit due to skills, that's not a problem and should be accounted for.
Being unable to have the rest of the fit applied and then either make do with different rigs or pass the ship over to someone who can rig it was always a simple enough workaround.

Please change it so all modules the current pilot is able to use (there's even the nice green tick/red cross UI in the saved fittings) are fitted when using the Fit button. Also because saved fits can't easily be edited ingame to remove just the offending rigs to work around this feature as is.

actually i think you should be able to fit anything regardless of your own skils :P

that however is something completely unrelated to rig fitting (which is AWESOME !)

its also unrelated to this mornings hints on twitter towards ammo fitting (which should result in some cookies for Punkturis after her much deserved 4 weeks of (who allowed her to go ?))

doesnt matter wether it ends up in the guns or in cargo

the important thing is that it will safe me a bazillion klicks when fitting ships :)

i lost 6 dictors and a hic in an epic battle yesterday, i could have lost a 7th dictor if i didnt have to put in rigs and ammo (in that case probes) in per hand. i even went to battle without any rigs in some of them because the FC was begging for more bubbles

I don't think youre understanding OP's post.

Lets say you want to load a fit onto a ship that includes modules and rigs.
Lets assume you have the skills to fit all the modules but you do NOT have the skills to fit the rigs.
If you try to load said fit, the game will not fit ANYTHING and it will tell you that you require the appropriate rigging skills.

Why is this an issue? Because a few patches ago, the game did fit everything and then stop at the rigs you did not train for.

Now its just frustrating and stupid.
Especially for ships that are already rigged and you are trying to swap loadouts but you can't do this if the fitting you load includes rigs you don't have skills for - the game wont fit anything and itll pester you to train for rigs you dont even want to fit on your ship in the first place because you already have rigs (also even more annoying when your ship already has the same rigs specified in the saved fitting).

Also, since you can't directly EDIT fittings (you would have to remove the rigs and save the same fitting without the rigs installed) you're screwed, so you have to manually load the damn things or train for rigs you don't want to fit because you already have rigs installed.

The way the fitting system should work (like it did before - what the hell did you do CCP?) is that loading saved fittings should fit everything you have the skills for and of course inform you of the modules or rigs that couldn't be fitted because you dont have the skills for them.

CCP Punkturis just fixed everything, ergo your argument is invalid.
No, really, she has taken some time to make this work for you guys. It's really awesome now \o/

So here's what will happen, if you happen to have a fit that you cannot fit a specific module or Rig to, it will fit everything else for you and just tell you that it cannot fit "Heavy Energy Neutralizer II" or whatever.

And it fits rigs, and it loads up your cargo hold with the saved ammunition. Overall, I think fitting guys are going to be really happy with these minor tweaks. Because Team Super Friends loves you guys.

Edit: arg beaten by thread updates while fighting this forum and image sites software, tweaks made
I really thought it was already on Sisi.

In that case, what's there is already a broken/bad feature and hopefully it can be improved along with this change:

1) Try to Fit a fit that you lack the rig skills for, get denied
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5170/badrn.png
lame, give the option to do the rest of the work for me at least

2) Try to Fit a fit you do have all the skills for, get the current 'rigs not done' click-through warning
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2940/bad2i.png
3) but then the rest of the fit is applied
http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/7102/bad3.png
I'm so glad we did that skill check, it was so relevant to the outcome... wait.

I'm convinced that rigs used to be a part of the Fit action, this warning is just stupid. Until the new changes come to TQ, no one inexperienced expects rigs or ammo or a bunch of other stuff to be on the ship anyway so why is it there?

4) Try to Fit a fit that you lack the rig skills for but for which the rigs are already fitted, get denied
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5503/bad4h.png
Bad Eve Client, put 2 and 2 together.

5) Try to Fit a fit that you do have all the skills for, but different rigs are already fitted, get the same generic 'rigs not done' warning
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/4808/bad5.png
6) and end up with a successfully mix&matched mostly-auto-Fitted fit
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/4808/bad6.png
See, I knew you could do it

So atm it doesn't really care what rigs you have fitted to the target hull, whether they're already the ones for the chosen fit that you can't put on yourself but have no need to, or if they're different rigs that don't match the fit but you are skilled to apply the chosen fit, it'll put the modules on if and only if the skill requirements checks out, and do nothing with the rigs anyway. Which isn't in sync with what players and game mechanics actually care about (unless you need the skills purely to be able to online the modules, which is different to fitting them).
I'm not going to mess about to test the behaviour with modules being out of stock* but I'm sure IIRC it will just skip the missing ones and put the rest on, IDK why rigs & their skills are treated as a higher priority for failing the whole action when they aren't even actually involved in the result atm.

An already rigged ship should probably lead to a prompt that you're trying to replace the rigs, or need to remove them yourself first. Unless they're the same kind as you're trying to fit, and then you don't need to pass the skill check, they're already on there so it should just work.


Will ammo and cargo quatities be a part of what can be exported & imported?


Again, I don't believe this is new except for the case of rigs anyway.
*Actually I just tested it:
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/679/bad7.png

Sounds good, can't wait.