EVE New Citizens Q&A

Hello Darius

One of the things you need to realize is that there are some parts of EVE that are/can done individually. Missions are one of those things that can be done solo or with a group. The reason you have to do the SOE Epic Arc mission twice is because that is how the mission mechanics work. They aren't broken it's just how it works you both receive and standings. This is one of the few ways people repair their standings with specific factions. It's a way to help increase standings much faster than having to grind at it through other means. Since you can only do the Epic Arc missions every three months it would take awhile to repair the standings.

For more information look at these two links: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Epic_mission_arcs and http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Missions

EVE is a complicated game to play and while somethings may seem "broken" compared to other games a majority of the time that's how it should be.

Hope that helped feel free to ask additional questions.


Also lets keep this civilized please no need to start a flame war. I don't wish to have to start locking threads in here.

I will feel very bad for the OP when he meets the damsel.

You share the credit because you can only kill someone once. But everything respawns because then there would be nothing for the players that log-on later. But the story just pretends this doesn't happen. That way there can be this long line of players coming to be the savior of the kingdom, again and again. Really, a single player storyline shared by thousands of players.

I'm not a zealot, I just get tired of people leaving one thing for another and then trying to make the new place like the one they left. Whether it is a game our a country. Hating people or things solely because they are different, and forcing them to conform for no good reason is bad. Failing to conform to your expectations is not the definition of broken.

I don't know what the mechanic is like in other MMOs, but if you want to team up on the arc missions, I think it's just a matter of forming a fleet, and one person in the fleet dealing with the agents - if you're in a fleet when you complete a mission, then you get the option of sharing the rewards (ISK, loyalty points, standings increases) or keeping them for yourself.

If two different people talk to the agent, he/she won't understand that they both want to sign up for the same mission, and the mission generator will create two separate mission spaces.

The fleet structure is key to this, though.

When you accept a mission its for you. Its best to run SOE with a person who has already done it. Otherwise yes you will end up doing it twice once for you and once for your friend.

The group PVE content is called incursions and you dont need to accept a mission to do those.

Missions other then the the story arcs are meant to be solo blitzed to make isk.

Also if your only reason to play eve is the PVE experience missions will not be rewarding to you because theres only so many you can do and they will repeat.

Incursions and Wormhole sleeper sites are more rewarding group PVE content, however there isn't any sort of story plot advancement in them.

Lore does not drive the eve universe the players do.

There are like 3 quests in wow.
1. Go kill something
2. Go get something and bring it back
3. Escort an NPC with very bad pathfinding and that refused to run.
4. Go somewhere and talk to NPC that will give you one of the previous 3
Mix and Repeat


So far all I like the fact that the only missions ive had to do are
1 and 2
4 happens through the Eve Mail

So the Eve missions seems like an improvement on PVE.

Uh... OK

You're going to be very disappointed about how many times you'll be rescuing the damsel.

I grasp more than you think.

It is not a simple convenience option. It is an argument based on avarice and entitlement over normal consequences. It is rational that there should be one reward for one action. If multiple people participate, then the reward is not multiplied by the number of participants, it is divided. The OP attempts to argue that this is somehow because CCP is against groups. That conclusion is not supported at all by the argument.

Grouping still allows a group to work faster and safer, and take on multiple tasks, so the increase in speed can be more than a simple mutliplier of the participants, because it can eliminate reshipping and other time consuming tasks stopping the flow, and instead one member of the group takes care of the delaying task while the others continue the mission, or start a new one. The result is normally a higher isk/hour rate. AND an increase in fun. Which is more important? People's opinions will vary. But they are both consequences of grouping.

I'm sure that in other games the original intent was to improve convenience, to draw in the more lazy players and improve subscriptions, but the result was feeding a sense of entitlement. When I played EQ and started getting credit for quests I didn't even know about, at first I thought it was a good thing. Now I know better. So many ideas that seem good in the short term, end up not working out in the long term. What makes eve EVE is the sense of accomplishment that comes from playing in a world with real consequences. This is a request to eliminate a consequence not adding a convenience.

Man, speaking of not knowing the basic game lore... I'm pretty sure it points out that a lot of people are effectively immortal right on the box.

More specifically, all the named pirates are eggers, you can kill them as much as you want and they'll just keep coming back. A lot of pirates will also take a dead pirate's name in order to leech off his reputation, as you'll discover in the Zazzmatazz missions later. Anyhow, this is the reason you have to shove the dude at the rogue drones rather than just being done when you zap him in the epic arc.

Also worth pointing out that quest items on a random drop table only drop for one person in the party when you're jointly doing quests in WoW, ToR, WAR, Aion and DAoC. The only thing shared is credit for kills/toggling widgets. Eve also shares credit for kills and flipping the last widget, you get half the bounties/LP/quest rewards in a group of two. The only thing you don't get is the ability to later advance the quest chain on your own, exactly the same as how, say, WoW advanced dungeons were intended to work.