EVE General Discussion

SILENCE ALL OF YOU!

If you listen carefully, you can hear someone reading a petition, typing a cookie-cutter response, then logging on and undocking his suicide alt to kill another Mackinaw there I said it.

Of course.

Why should players in hi-sec be immune to organised violence? They sell products for the same ISK, they're competing in the same game, on the same shard, in an MMO that's explicitly and openly advertised as dark, cut-throat and ruthless.

They get a compelling advantage in that anyone who attacks them will lose their ship, regardless of any other outcome. They're not "helpless" vs the goon campaign, it's just that they've been able to operate in a selfish, disorganised, inattentive way up until now because no organised group has had sufficient motivation to bother trying to overcame that huge inbuilt advantage they get from CONCORD protection. What the complaining about is nothing more than "Circumstances have changed and I will suffer a disadvantage unless I adapt the way I play".

Option 1: whine and cry for mommy CCP to bend the rules even further
Option 2: organise, co-operate, adapt, survive, prevail.

Since everyone knows that goons are shrieking brain-damaged baboons with the attention span of a mayfly on meth, I'm sure it shouldn't prove a problem for the intelligent, thoughtful, mature and well-adjusted inhabitants of hi-sec to out-think and out-organise them.

I rule out the economic argument as total BS. Alway have.

Firstly, the G**N's campaign would have cost 100's of millions, if not billions of isk. The amount of ice needed to be sold to get that back would be staggering.

Secondly, 0.0 POS holders will simply change towers. Sure Gallente towers have moongoo bonuses but it just means more work in the short term. Last 0.0 corp I was in we had 3 months supply on hand. Minor blip. Thus no immediate or short term market for Gallente ice. (most price changes have been speculators)

Lastly, all empire POS holders can just change faction. Again, no market for Gallente ice.

Other reasons?
Restricting Oxy using cap fuels may have a strategic effect but only if the G**N's campaign was sustained for the long term AND they had a view to invade someone. Both is unlikely.

Argument from personal ignorance is rarely persausive.

There's a reason people use Gallente towers.

Read my post AGAIN. I said as much.

I could find 1000 posts on where CCP has been "wrong" by player complaint/questioning and changes have been brought about as a result.

True story bro and mostly to do with 0.0.

It's never from Empire because most Empire guys are too lazy or disorganised to do anything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv3AY1zTzaE&feature=related

just sayin

So what? It's no different than when your nullsec region is under siege and you're down to your last few outposts — all of which are nearly permacamped. What you do then is that you try to move out of the way.
Why? Again, you seem to think that empire is somehow disconnected from nullsec — it's not. They're the same. Alliances need to be able to stomp all over highsec because alliances exist in highsec, as does activites that have an impact on non-highsec space.
As to the first point, yes it is, for the simple reason that all of EVE is meant for smashing everyone and everything in into the ground. There are no boundaries. Doing it in highsec just enforces some costs, and that's all.

And that answers the second point: no, aside from that tiny detail, the rules aren't different. Highsec only means one thing: that aggression comes at a cost. That is all. If this makes players different, then they're deluding themselves — they are just as much a part of the battlefield as everyone else. They're just hoping that this cost will be enough to dissuade wanton attacks on them, but that is also all it is: a hope. This campaign shows that hopes only get you so far, and sometimes, someone else's intent will crush your hope.
It's a rather small and insignificant annoyance to highsec — it's a huge inconvenience for nullsec.
Good. That means the interwoven nature of the game is working as intended — that all sections of space are interconnected and that what happens in one corner affects the other corners as well.

Put another way, if highsec was supposed to not be a stomping ground for low/nullsec alliances, then the following things would have to be banned from highsec: … no wait, that list is simply too long. Let's instead list the things you would be allowed to do in highsec: fly your noobship. Run missions. Basic T1 manufacturing in NPC stations (assuming the materials are all available in highsec). No import or export of goods of any kind. And that's it. Expand the list ever so slightly, and you're doing things that various alliances need to be able to stop you from doing, and thus they must be able to stomp all over highsec to do so.

I lost a drake in y-2 a few days ago. The people who killed it caused me much grief; they have been reported.