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Devalued ISHUKONE Shirt? CCP Marketing Malpractice? [UPDATE]

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#321 - 2012-06-28 09:26:56 UTC
If I were you OP (thank goodness I'm not!), I'd go back and read through a few of your last posts, checking grammar and word choice, before bringing out the old 'community college' burn on others.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
#322 - 2012-06-28 09:34:49 UTC
I'm sitting here like a lot of us admiring your unrelenting tenacity Antiquarian, I'd hate to get on the wrong side of you!

I've suggested a further fix on the marketing sister topic, you've still got 'what's right' on your side and dw any thread that goes this far usually attracts the usual flamers and haters.

Rarity collectors and Rarity resellers have as much value in this game as anyone else.

Right where's my Guardian Vexor, I left it here somewhere?
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#323 - 2012-06-28 09:39:58 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
Bumblefck wrote:
If I were you OP (thank goodness I'm not!), I'd go back and read through a few of your last posts, checking grammar and word choice, before bringing out the old 'community college' burn on others.


I highly recommend you to try this amazing exercise of having to read hundreds of posts filled with a copious amount of insults and slurs aimed at you. Once you are done doing that little exercise, try writing hundreds of responses and at the same time, try your best to remain civil and composed. I guarantee you that by the time you reach your 100th post, grammar and usage of words will be the least of your concerns.
Freezehunter
#324 - 2012-06-28 09:42:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Freezehunter
The Antiquarian wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
If I were you OP (thank goodness I'm not!), I'd go back and read through a few of your last posts, checking grammar and word choice, before bringing out the old 'community college' burn on others.


I highly recommend you to try this amazing exercise of having to read hundreds of posts filled with a copious amount of insults and slurs aimed at you. Once you are done doing that little exercise, try writing hundreds of responses and at the same time, try your best to remain civil and composed. I guarantee you that by the time you reach your 100th post, grammar and usage of words will be the least of your concerns.


I hate you for being a rich spoiled brat idiot that went to a college paid for by daddy, The Antiquarian, but I have to agree with that last one you said.

CURSE ME AND MY NEUTRALITY.

I should be a judge. >.>

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#325 - 2012-06-28 09:47:36 UTC
Freezehunter wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
If I were you OP (thank goodness I'm not!), I'd go back and read through a few of your last posts, checking grammar and word choice, before bringing out the old 'community college' burn on others.


I highly recommend you to try this amazing exercise of having to read hundreds of posts filled with a copious amount of insults and slurs aimed at you. Once you are done doing that little exercise, try writing hundreds of responses and at the same time, try your best to remain civil and composed. I guarantee you that by the time you reach your 100th post, grammar and usage of words will be the least of your concerns.


I hate you for being a rich spoiled brat idiot that went to a college paid for by daddy, The Antiquarian, but I have to agree with that last one you said.

CURSE ME AND MY NEUTRALITY.

I should be a judge. >.>


I think I liked the post you wrote before the "edit" more.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#326 - 2012-06-28 09:52:18 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
If I were you OP (thank goodness I'm not!), I'd go back and read through a few of your last posts, checking grammar and word choice, before bringing out the old 'community college' burn on others.


I highly recommend you to try this amazing exercise of having to read hundreds of posts filled with a copious amount of insults and slurs aimed at you. Once you are done doing that little exercise, try writing hundreds of responses and at the same time, try your best to remain civil and composed. I guarantee you that by the time you reach your 100th post, grammar and usage of words will be the least of your concerns.



Perhaps if you hadn't written about something that is so obviously provocative and trifling at the same time, you wouldn't have received the reaction you did. The best place for this would've probably been some pirvate communication between you and CCP - but you put it in a public arena for the delectation of the game's playerbase. As it is, what exactly are you hoping to achieve by this thread, if not self-flagellation and an outpouring of rich man anguish?

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Freezehunter
#327 - 2012-06-28 10:10:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Freezehunter
The Antiquarian wrote:
Freezehunter wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
If I were you OP (thank goodness I'm not!), I'd go back and read through a few of your last posts, checking grammar and word choice, before bringing out the old 'community college' burn on others.


I highly recommend you to try this amazing exercise of having to read hundreds of posts filled with a copious amount of insults and slurs aimed at you. Once you are done doing that little exercise, try writing hundreds of responses and at the same time, try your best to remain civil and composed. I guarantee you that by the time you reach your 100th post, grammar and usage of words will be the least of your concerns.


I hate you for being a rich spoiled brat idiot that went to a college paid for by daddy, The Antiquarian, but I have to agree with that last one you said.

CURSE ME AND MY NEUTRALITY.

I should be a judge. >.>


I think I liked the post you wrote before the "edit" more.


Sorry dude, I added that because of that "Community College" crap you wrote.

Where I come from (which is not USA), making it into a state college/university is a great honor and it means you worked / studied your ass off to get there, even if you were poor, and that your college / college admission wasn't paid for by daddy's wallet.

Stop making snide remarks and people like me won't do it either, you are not the only educated person here, and some of us took the hard path to superior education, and we do not deserve your rude comments.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
CCP t0rfifrans
C C P
C C P Alliance
#328 - 2012-06-28 10:35:47 UTC
Update: The ishukone shirt did go out accidentally. Meaning the person picking items for the offers ( me ) wasn't aware of it having been used in a PLEX promotion. Bad bad Torfi. Now that it is out and there is an issue with people that had the shirt prior as a coveted rare collectors item, we have suspended sales on the ishukone shirt while we formulate a plan that's as fair to as many as possible. Expect an update later today on the issue. It's interesting thought that it became the most popular and traded item of the new clothes we put out in Inferno 1.1.

In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something...
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#329 - 2012-06-28 10:37:49 UTC
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:
In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something...


I want a Loppy Frog cod piece please. If you thought those shirts sold fast, trust me, these will be even bigger sellers.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
DeBingJos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#330 - 2012-06-28 10:40:21 UTC
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:

In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something...

Lol Bi-monocles you say? You might as well give them a radical new name like 'glasses'! Big smile

Ungi maðurinn þekkir reglurnar, en gamli maðurinn þekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions.

Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
#331 - 2012-06-28 10:56:06 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
It's funny that you think it invalidates the argument.


Well, at least CCP agreed half of the points addressed by us and subsequently removed the items in questions, out of NEX Store.

Still one issue remains: reparation & returning the disenfranchised owners to the previous financial conditions.

Let's count all the times CCP has done that after altering something that an investor lost money on, shall we?



+1!
CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#332 - 2012-06-28 10:58:14 UTC
DeBingJos wrote:
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:

In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something...

Lol Bi-monocles you say? You might as well give them a radical new name like 'glasses'! Big smile


I believe the correct scientific term is 'binoculars'. Pirate

CCP Spitfire | Marketing & Sales Team @ccp_spitfire
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#333 - 2012-06-28 11:12:11 UTC
So when's the Ishukone Scorpion rearing it's ugly head again?

The recent changes to the NeX, the new interest CCP is taking in the NeX, the new players' financial survey, are we on a new path to exactly where we were this time last year?

CCP, how about giving us a roadmap of the NeX for the next year?

Don't ban me, bro!
Norrin Ellis
Doomheim
#334 - 2012-06-28 11:16:49 UTC
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:
Update: The ishukone shirt did go out accidentally. Meaning the person picking items for the offers ( me ) wasn't aware of it having been used in a PLEX promotion. Bad bad Torfi. Now that it is out and there is an issue with people that had the shirt prior as a coveted rare collectors item, we have suspended sales on the ishukone shirt while we formulate a plan that's as fair to as many as possible. Expect an update later today on the issue. It's interesting thought that it became the most popular and traded item of the new clothes we put out in Inferno 1.1.

In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something...


Are you saying that at a reasonable price, these dress-up items are a very popular commodity, yet as a rare collectible they are mostly 2 billion ISK trade bait to try and squeeze a few extra ISK out of the next guy dumb enough to buy it for the ISK equivalent of more than the cost of a real shirt?

I'm shocked, Torfi. Utterly shocked, man.

CEO, Venture Racing

Manager, EVE Online Hold'Em
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#335 - 2012-06-28 11:28:06 UTC
Anyway, I find it rather telling and karmatically (ehm… yes) suitable that CCP can't dabble with the NeX without making a mess of it.

The universe is trying to tell you something, devs… Twisted
Ariel Marquette
Doomheim
#336 - 2012-06-28 11:34:18 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Anyway, I find it rather telling and karmatically (ehm… yes) suitable that CCP can't dabble with the NeX without making a mess of it.

The universe is trying to tell you something, devs… Twisted


I think it's trying to tell them that their target market should indeed be the people that want to actually wear these items on their characters and may be enticed to buy a single PLEX to get enough AUR to do it (with some left for matching pixel pants).

Torfi, I would suggest that you make a knock-off version of the Ishukone shirt that is functionally identical (it looks exactly the same on a character), but you could put a different description in the database (it's made by a different designer or something). That way, the crybabies who just want to have an exclusive item can have their real Rolex, while the majority that simply wants to wear something that looks good can do that with the fake Rolex.
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#337 - 2012-06-28 11:43:31 UTC
CCP Spitfire wrote:
DeBingJos wrote:
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:

In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something...

Lol Bi-monocles you say? You might as well give them a radical new name like 'glasses'! Big smile


I believe the correct scientific term is 'binoculars'. Pirate

Bifocals ???
Xhaiden Ora
Doomheim
#338 - 2012-06-28 11:52:31 UTC
CCP Spitfire wrote:
I believe the correct scientific term is 'binoculars'. Pirate


Dual Phasic Space Wizard Cranial Viewports
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#339 - 2012-06-28 12:03:02 UTC
Ariel Marquette wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Anyway, I find it rather telling and karmatically (ehm… yes) suitable that CCP can't dabble with the NeX without making a mess of it.

The universe is trying to tell you something, devs… Twisted


I think it's trying to tell them that their target market should indeed be the people that want to actually wear these items on their characters and may be enticed to buy a single PLEX to get enough AUR to do it (with some left for matching pixel pants).

Torfi, I would suggest that you make a knock-off version of the Ishukone shirt that is functionally identical (it looks exactly the same on a character), but you could put a different description in the database (it's made by a different designer or something). That way, the crybabies who just want to have an exclusive item can have their real Rolex, while the majority that simply wants to wear something that looks good can do that with the fake Rolex.



Ah ah ah.....be careful what you ask for. Functionally identical......a $2 t-shirt is functionally identical to a $100 t-shirt. Sure, they both serve the purpose to cover the body but one has nicer fabrics and is generally more durable. Just like the Isukone Scorpion purportedly by CCP was functionally identical to the regular Scorpion. But, we couldn't get any more details on that other than it was "functionally identical". Some of us actually suspected it would be a p2w item beyond its paint scheme. And I do believe we are entering a period where the words we choose are going to become very very important when dealing with CCP in the next few months.

In the example of the Isukone Scorp.....functionally identical doesn't exactly convey identical characteristics. All BS's are functionally identical. That is to say functionally, they all kill things. How they do it and their efficacy is the real question.

I know I'm going off here about a t-shirt and it doesn't really make any difference in that situation. But I do smell a new effort by CCP to revamp the NeX, which isn't a bad thing except we seem to be taking the same route we did last year. The player financial survey is what is setting me off here. It proceeded the disasters of last year. So, just a word of warning folks.

Be vigilant and make sure to keep your hand on the brakes.

Don't ban me, bro!
DeBingJos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#340 - 2012-06-28 12:05:33 UTC
Xhaiden Ora wrote:
CCP Spitfire wrote:
I believe the correct scientific term is 'binoculars'. Pirate


Dual Phasic Space Wizard Cranial Viewports


I think we have a winner!

Ungi maðurinn þekkir reglurnar, en gamli maðurinn þekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions.