Intergalactic Summit

Now you are just being silly.

Page two and still no references to the Republic being inactive and not caring.

What Goonswarm did is not anything to do with that fundemental issue.

Waste of time.

Probably not a bad idea.

Then again, every Amarr ship you blow up is money in my clan's pocket, so if you want to bleed your people dry in a war, I can't complain too much.


It puts food on the table.


Your faction must have some sort of upper class. All those ships you have come from somewhere, don't they?

Yet when I go to your stations, I see lots of dilapidation. When I watch programs about your tribes, I never see the fat, happy, and lazy types each society has.

Nevermind, it just dosen't seem worth it to have a "war of the minds" with a parrot unable to belch out anything other then the phrases its learned. By all means continue with your "Hope and Change" speeches without any actual substance as to what we are hoping to change.

To be fair, the material cost of a Fleet-issue module is about the same as a base, tech-one module (have you tried to reprocess a Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer?). So Kade is right in saying that the acquisition of these modules by profiteers hardly hurts the Republic; they have high value on the capsuleer market because they are relatively rare and we have no original-issue blueprints for the things. From the perspective of the Republic, these modules are actually a great way to provide incentive to capsuleers.

That being said, I agree with the general gist of the words of Halete and Avlynka. I've been on Matar for the past month or so, living among "normal people". It's not bad, even in the more rural area I'm staying in. But then Matar is a core planet of a core system of a major government. The decision to expend resources on making weapons or neccesary things (such as food, housing, clothing, etc) has historically always been a difficult one. So on this, I disagree with Kade: things are in fact gloomy. If we choose to focus soley on internal development we will forget our brethren still enslaved by the Amarr. If we focus only on beating the Amarr, those who have been freed will have no adequate home to go to.

There must be a balance between the two options, or a third option entirely. So far the balance has been the Minmatar Republic and the status quo. It's not perfect, but it hasn't fallen to the Amarr or internal food riots either.

Get on board with you and Ava you say without once again saying what you think it is that should be done. Should we, like you, shout in public phrases and slogans easily digested by the masses or, like Ava, drop out of the fight for the only viable option readily available and make our escape to null sec as she has made clear her intentions?

How about instead of retreating from my people, or spinning in place, I fight for my people in the manner available to me until I can find a better alternative. But to each their own, please carry on crying that the "sky is falling" but being unable to direct those under it to shelter madam.

The less then good sir from the Cartel makes a slew of points, all with merit. What happens when a war based economy has no war to fight? What identity does a warrior have when the war is won? What message will be given to the people when this one has been heard?

I think Halete thinks we are all against her, and she is far from the mark here. Simply put we can agree that the evils you talk about exist, but the way you go about proposing change which is in of itself little better then teenage angst raging against the machine fails to address how these things should be changed, what should take their places and how do we remain afloat when the only thing keeping the current machines head above water...is gone.

No one can doubt the good of your cause (of course your one dimensional thinking forbids you to ponder how many newly freed people come into the fold which is war mongers like me raiding plantations and "salvaging" them from the holds of slaver ships but why nit pick?), what we can doubt is your foresight. If you free a man and then drop him off in an ailing economy is bad and this of course is what I do, but to free a man and then drop him off in an economy with NO thought out purpose, goals or direction as you propose is evil.

I am a realist my dear, I look at what is and try to make it work. If I can think of a way to make it better I will surely attempt to make that happen of course but you look at things that never were and say "that was a pleasant dream so ill pretend im still there."

Hmm that was very much on point in response to what you had said before. Now you are just sticking your fingers in your ears and, like my children, saying "la la la la la la la, I cant hear you."

Indeed, such a volume of noise and a whole snow-capped mountain of hyperbole sitting on top of it. But there are screams of J'accuse deep from the chasm too:

You say: "...people like Kade standing on the corpses of my brothers and sisters..."

A 'smearing' - a coercion to your way of thinking, character assassination because he dares to differ in opinion -did you really intend to say all this publicly?

On that same note, yesterday, I witnessed you and your fellow saviours of Matar hound, with venomous jaws, a young pilot of the Republic who dared to suggest that her on-going scientific study of spiritualism was her way of understanding it. This was her grave mistake - a heresy - as the New Theology Council stormed in on her with steel-capped jackboots -but it was you and yours who were the inquisitors, not any Amarr or nefantar present.

'Smearing', character assassination. Did you really mean to say all that to her? Regardless, it was a disgusting thing to have witnessed.

You say to Los Muertas: "You don't fight for your people, you brainwashed moron."

'Smearing'... you get the rest.

Then we have the overtly kissy, kissy agenda with the Caldari state. And nobody ever did answer my question of two weeks ago:

'What is the relationship between the State and Derelik?'

But you say: Despite the constant concerns pressed about Gallente taint in our culture, they don't care... and are every bit as vile as Amarr except "they wear a smile" (your colleague's actual words spoken in the same public forum).

You're just lashing out at anyone and everyone, now -Republic, Federation, dissenters and whomever else. I'm all for a spot of bilious zealotry, but Kade, Los Meuertas and that unfortunate student of science are -still- your comrades and clearly do not deserve this fiery show of dominating self-superiority. They are not (y)our natural enemies. They do their bit to the best of their abilities -but quietly.

There are those in Animatar and elsewhere who do things quietly. There are Matari blocs and capsuleer alliances who have demonstrably done their bit over many years -but are perhaps reviewing and assessing the situation -quietly.

At the end of the day, all you're doing is providing further ammunition to Sarum's mob with your divide and rule tactics.

Think about that as you go about your crusade.

Dear, you're as enchanting as ever. I'm upset that you have neglected to comment on the situation at all, however, and have only addressed my behaviour. I expected better of you, really.

I intend to step on toes. The distinction is that the attitude towards myself is purely one of personal attack completely in disregard of what is actually being said. Hyperbole? Hardly. I'm asking people to face the consequences of the regime they fight for.

Am I angry? Yes. Am I firey? Yes. Am I loud? Certainly. You seem to be running on the belief that these are negative attributes, or that somehow I believe myself to be self-superior. Forgive me for not being a content, quiet 'good little Minmatar' who is happy to entertain the Status Quo because it is 'functional'.

On the Caldari - we never had that date, love. Do get in touch, okay?

Los Muertas, you're rather apt to notice that I am not active on commms at this time. I shall be after I've attended to business. In the meantime you're free to get in touch via my mail system. I can't help but feel that your comment however was insinuating that I have 'station hugging' behaviour and you continue to say that I am not taking any tangible actions, despite pointing out the contrary in previous posts, again reinforcing my belief that you're hearing what you want to hear.