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Not another high sec miner thread.....Oh yes it is

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#301 - 2012-06-28 00:12:07 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Here's the deal, kid. And this is straight from CCP Soundwave's mouth about what EvE is. (He's the lead game designer for EvE)
Kristoffer Touborg wrote:
Welcome to EVE Online - Here's a rubix cube, go f--- yourself

How long to train for a Tech 2 Rubrix Cube?

Rubix Cube II

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#302 - 2012-06-28 00:24:38 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Here's the deal, kid. And this is straight from CCP Soundwave's mouth about what EvE is. (He's the lead game designer for EvE)
Kristoffer Touborg wrote:
Welcome to EVE Online - Here's a rubix cube, go f--- yourself

How long to train for a Tech 2 Rubrix Cube?

Rubix Cube II

WTB Rubik's tesseract.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#303 - 2012-06-28 00:27:49 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Here's the deal, kid. And this is straight from CCP Soundwave's mouth about what EvE is. (He's the lead game designer for EvE)
Kristoffer Touborg wrote:
Welcome to EVE Online - Here's a rubix cube, go f--- yourself

How long to train for a Tech 2 Rubrix Cube?

Rubix Cube II

WTB Rubik's tesseract.

It's like comparing a Capital Shield Transporter to a Large Shield Transporter, goodness.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Andar Purvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#304 - 2012-06-28 00:35:11 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Andar Purvanen wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
A properly tanked Hulk cannot be profitably suicide ganked (.5 space is breakeven, higher is a direct loss).


True, but its not just Hulks. Anyone who loses a Hulk to a mere ganker must be either afk or have had some sort of system problem. [edit]But is it still true if you are getting paid extra?[end edit]

Hulkageddon isn't just about ganking Hulks though. It also includes Macs, transports, etc.


You were complaining about being a desirable target. Flying your ship in a way that makes it a desirable target is your choice because you can fly your ship in a way that doesn't make it a desirable target.

If you can fly a Mack, you can fly a Hulk. A Hulk can fit Ice Lasers just fine, Tank your Hulk and you'll mine ice without being a desirable target.
Transport ships don't qualify for the GSF bounties, so the rules of Isk tanking your transports remain the same as always.


Your job as a miner is to get the greatest quantity of Ore/Ice from the belt to the station safely that you can. If the ship with the best Belt->Cargo extraction rate keeps getting you shot, then pick another ship.


I'm always a desirable target; ask my many girlfriends. One more try at this.

I am complaining about being rendered one of many desirable targets by bored bullies empowered by CCP. There is a difference between being a potential target (as in the past) and a desirable target briefly (during past Hulkageddons).

Being rendered a desirable target permanently is indistinguishable from harassment only to the extent that an entire group is now being hounded out for wanting to play differently in the sand.

The only recourse is to play the game your way?

No, you should be playing the game my way. Mine more or die. Leader boards will be used henceforth solely to glorify those who mine the most every day, every week, every month.

Learn to play or go play Carebear PvP gankfest.

Death does not deter.  I will mine until you surrender.
Pipa Porto
#305 - 2012-06-28 01:16:59 UTC
Andar Purvanen wrote:

I'm always a desirable target; ask my many girlfriends. One more try at this.

I am complaining about being rendered one of many desirable targets by bored bullies empowered by CCP. There is a difference between being a potential target (as in the past) and a desirable target briefly (during past Hulkageddons).

Being rendered a desirable target permanently is indistinguishable from harassment only to the extent that an entire group is now being hounded out for wanting to play differently in the sand.

The only recourse is to play the game your way?

No, you should be playing the game my way. Mine more or die. Leader boards will be used henceforth solely to glorify those who mine the most every day, every week, every month.

Learn to play or go play Carebear PvP gankfest.


One more try at this. What you're having issue with are the defining principles of EvE.

You can play the game however you want. So can everyone else. Including Goonswarm. Putting bounties on Exhumers and Barges is currently how they want to play the game.

Your choices are to adapt or suffer the consequences.

CCP Wrangler wrote:
EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.


Harassment per EVE's TOS is if they talk to you individually in certain ways. Not what they do with in Game tools.

Oh, and CCP's been nerfing HS aggression since CONCORD stopped being tankable. How much nerfing will it take to make you happy?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#306 - 2012-06-28 01:27:59 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Andar Purvanen wrote:

I'm always a desirable target; ask my many girlfriends. One more try at this.

I am complaining about being rendered one of many desirable targets by bored bullies empowered by CCP. There is a difference between being a potential target (as in the past) and a desirable target briefly (during past Hulkageddons).

Being rendered a desirable target permanently is indistinguishable from harassment only to the extent that an entire group is now being hounded out for wanting to play differently in the sand.

The only recourse is to play the game your way?

No, you should be playing the game my way. Mine more or die. Leader boards will be used henceforth solely to glorify those who mine the most every day, every week, every month.

Learn to play or go play Carebear PvP gankfest.


One more try at this. What you're having issue with are the defining principles of EvE.

You can play the game however you want. So can everyone else. Including Goonswarm. Putting bounties on Exhumers and Barges is currently how they want to play the game.

Your choices are to adapt or suffer the consequences.

CCP Wrangler wrote:
EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.


Harassment per EVE's TOS is if they talk to you individually in certain ways. Not what they do with in Game tools.

Oh, and CCP's been nerfing HS aggression since CONCORD stopped being tankable. How much nerfing will it take to make you happy?

Ahh, the old "just one more nerf" cry of the perpetually oppressed high sec.

Despite having received continuous buffs to safety and income since the game's release they somehow still manage to make out that they have the short end of the stick. It always seems to be that "one more buff" until they finally quit whining.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Pipa Porto
#307 - 2012-06-28 01:30:29 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:

Ahh, the old "just one more nerf" cry of the perpetually oppressed high sec.

Despite having received continuous buffs to safety and income since the game's release they somehow still manage to make out that they have the short end of the stick. It always seems to be that "one more buff" until they finally quit whining.


To be fair, I don't think they ever actually promised to stop whining.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#308 - 2012-06-28 02:00:03 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:

Ahh, the old "just one more nerf" cry of the perpetually oppressed high sec.

Despite having received continuous buffs to safety and income since the game's release they somehow still manage to make out that they have the short end of the stick. It always seems to be that "one more buff" until they finally quit whining.


To be fair, I don't think they ever actually promised to stop whining.


They made SWG 100% safe and they still whined.
Pipa Porto
#309 - 2012-06-28 02:01:18 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:

Ahh, the old "just one more nerf" cry of the perpetually oppressed high sec.

Despite having received continuous buffs to safety and income since the game's release they somehow still manage to make out that they have the short end of the stick. It always seems to be that "one more buff" until they finally quit whining.


To be fair, I don't think they ever actually promised to stop whining.


They made SWG 100% safe and they still whined.


Who did that surprise?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Andar Purvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#310 - 2012-06-28 02:19:32 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
One more try at this. What you're having issue with are the defining principles of EvE.

You can play the game however you want. So can everyone else. Including Goonswarm. Putting bounties on Exhumers and Barges is currently how they want to play the game.

Your choices are to adapt or suffer the consequences.

CCP Wrangler wrote:
EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.


Harassment per EVE's TOS is if they talk to you individually in certain ways. Not what they do with in Game tools.

Oh, and CCP's been nerfing HS aggression since CONCORD stopped being tankable. How much nerfing will it take to make you happy?


I have other choices beyond the two you proclaim and I've exercised them all along. I dislike seeing the closest thing to a sandbox degenerate into yet another gankfest leading to a rapid decline.

However, as the quote by CCP Wrangler seems to suggest (unless you made it up) CCP approves this bullying and will continue to permit it to be financed.

I'll be fine and Goonswarm will be trashing other sandcastles with apparent CCP complicity for some time to come.

Too bad. It was once a much better game.

Death does not deter.  I will mine until you surrender.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#311 - 2012-06-28 02:28:38 UTC
Andar Purvanen wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
One more try at this. What you're having issue with are the defining principles of EvE.

You can play the game however you want. So can everyone else. Including Goonswarm. Putting bounties on Exhumers and Barges is currently how they want to play the game.

Your choices are to adapt or suffer the consequences.

CCP Wrangler wrote:
EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.


Harassment per EVE's TOS is if they talk to you individually in certain ways. Not what they do with in Game tools.

Oh, and CCP's been nerfing HS aggression since CONCORD stopped being tankable. How much nerfing will it take to make you happy?


I have other choices beyond the two you proclaim and I've exercised them all along. I dislike seeing the closest thing to a sandbox degenerate into yet another gankfest leading to a rapid decline.

However, as the quote by CCP Wrangler seems to suggest (unless you made it up) CCP approves this bullying and will continue to permit it to be financed.

I'll be fine and Goonswarm will be trashing other sandcastles with apparent CCP complicity for some time to come.

Too bad. It was once a much better game.

The game hasn't changed. If anything, it is safer now in HS than it was before.
Maybe that is the problem. We should go back to the days before Concord. That should fix everything. [sarcasm]
Pipa Porto
#312 - 2012-06-28 02:30:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Andar Purvanen wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
One more try at this. What you're having issue with are the defining principles of EvE.

You can play the game however you want. So can everyone else. Including Goonswarm. Putting bounties on Exhumers and Barges is currently how they want to play the game.

Your choices are to adapt or suffer the consequences.

CCP Wrangler wrote:
EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.


Harassment per EVE's TOS is if they talk to you individually in certain ways. Not what they do with in Game tools.

Oh, and CCP's been nerfing HS aggression since CONCORD stopped being tankable. How much nerfing will it take to make you happy?


I have other choices beyond the two you proclaim and I've exercised them all along. I dislike seeing the closest thing to a sandbox degenerate into yet another gankfest leading to a rapid decline.

However, as the quote by CCP Wrangler seems to suggest (unless you made it up) CCP approves this bullying and will continue to permit it to be financed.

I'll be fine and Goonswarm will be trashing other sandcastles with apparent CCP complicity for some time to come.

Too bad. It was once a much better game.


Look up the m0o Camp and the Zombie's invasion of Yulai.

Look up the fall of Ubiqua Seraph, the fall of BoB, the great scams of E-Bank and Titans 4 U.

The Exhumer bounties are in the best traditions of EvE.

It may have temporarily been a game that you liked better, but the heart of EvE has never changed.

(Oh, and I'm not one to put words in a Dev's mouth [especially when their own words put it better than I could], and by claiming history you show a shocking lack of knowledge of the same. Wrangler made that statement years ago. It's just as true today.)

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Betrinna Cantis
#313 - 2012-06-28 02:30:41 UTC
Reech Yvormes wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Reech Yvormes wrote:


if this is considered player vs player by CCP and everyone else then really, do those big battles really exist or is it just this kind of slimey one sided gank the guy with one tenth of the skills you have, with your multiple accounts, pod him so he gets skills even slower, robs him of all his value, even though he doesnt even have a gun on his ship. heh. this part is just not my taste of pvp i guess.


Of course its pvp, its two players going up against eachother.


what part of going up against each other, was i going up against anyone?

i tried to warp, died, tried to warp, died.

not much to it really.

it wiped me of over 100 million in implants and set my training back days. and because i was trying to mine and skill up.

what part of player v player do you call that?

oh i undocked so i gotta lose my training time?

...... like i say. stay logged out to train.

nice game for newbies, stay logged out. cos otherwise everyone going to gank you and do anything they can to ruin your training time?

have fun with this.

Heh I got Concorded the 4th week in this game because someone can flipped me and I shot his can. dumb right? Almost 2 years ago.... If you do not learn from you experience then all the implants in EVE are not going to help.

Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent. You may have mistaken me for someone who cares.....
Betrinna Cantis
#314 - 2012-06-28 03:11:19 UTC
Wow I have been playing this game for 2 years and nobody told me there was a way to scan for implants??? WTF? Oh Ever thought of MOVING? It's a big universe out here....Shocked

Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent. You may have mistaken me for someone who cares.....
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#315 - 2012-06-28 04:10:18 UTC
Andar Purvanen wrote:


I have other choices beyond the two you proclaim and I've exercised them all along. I dislike seeing the closest thing to a sandbox degenerate into yet another gankfest leading to a rapid decline.

However, as the quote by CCP Wrangler seems to suggest (unless you made it up) CCP approves this bullying and will continue to permit it to be financed.

I'll be fine and Goonswarm will be trashing other sandcastles with apparent CCP complicity for some time to come.

Too bad. It was once a much better game.


EVE has always been like this.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#316 - 2012-06-28 04:25:25 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:

Ahh, the old "just one more nerf" cry of the perpetually oppressed high sec.

Despite having received continuous buffs to safety and income since the game's release they somehow still manage to make out that they have the short end of the stick. It always seems to be that "one more buff" until they finally quit whining.

To be fair, I don't think they ever actually promised to stop whining.

They made SWG 100% safe and they still whined.

What happened to SWG?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#317 - 2012-06-28 04:32:06 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

What happened to SWG?


They removed all risk, nerfed all pve to stupidly easy and removed all need to replace equipment. They messed up lots more but that would be dragging us in a 3 page rant. Needless to say, the bears still whined and SOE found that they had killed a great game for a fanbase that did not exist.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#318 - 2012-06-28 04:39:09 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

What happened to SWG?

They removed all risk, nerfed all pve to stupidly easy and removed all need to replace equipment. They messed up lots more but that would be dragging us in a 3 page rant. Needless to say, the bears still whined and SOE found that they had killed a great game for a fanbase that did not exist.

Oh.

That's not good.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Pipa Porto
#319 - 2012-06-28 04:42:46 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

What happened to SWG?

They removed all risk, nerfed all pve to stupidly easy and removed all need to replace equipment. They messed up lots more but that would be dragging us in a 3 page rant. Needless to say, the bears still whined and SOE found that they had killed a great game for a fanbase that did not exist.

Oh.

That's not good.


http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png

The purple square line shows the result.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#320 - 2012-06-28 04:54:54 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

What happened to SWG?

They removed all risk, nerfed all pve to stupidly easy and removed all need to replace equipment. They messed up lots more but that would be dragging us in a 3 page rant. Needless to say, the bears still whined and SOE found that they had killed a great game for a fanbase that did not exist.

Oh.

That's not good.


http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png

The purple square line shows the result.

Oh, quite a lot of data crammed in that graph.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?