EVE General Discussion

no, it's not..cloaking is an action in space. Sitting in an NPC Station can be the "pause button" as you are 100% safe there. You are not 100% safe cloaked regardless of what the nerf-herders tell you.

Acutally many bot users recommend being at or near your computer when running bots whenever possible to help escape detection. Also, papers I've read about the RMT trade state that the RMT companies (or those supplying them) will have people tending the computers of the bots to make sure nothing goes wrong.

I do know that once you gank a bot a few times, the bot user can put the ganker on a white list and the bot will automatically dock or log off when the ganker enters the system. If you do this, then all you have to do is AFK cloak in the system and the bots will stay out of space. This works in high sec.

In short, AFK cloaking can be a viable anti-botting technique for players to engage in.

My question: Why do you what to help the real bots Mr. Pew Pew?

Thus if youve ever used autopilot, you deserve the ban>?

You obviously don't know what botting is, nor have you read the EULA and TOS concerning the topic. Therefore, you're not worth a reply........oh damn!

The whole penalty for using a cloak is that YOU CANNOT attack while cloaked. You can't target someone. You can't point someone. You can't shoot someone. The only way to do this is.....
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...by dropping cloak. I know this is a shocker to the handful of whining carebears, but it's true. Want to know what else is a counter to cloaking? Smartbombs, bombs, cargo containers, asteroids, etc.....So to say it's unkillable is ******* obsurd and shows a complete lack of understanding when it comes to game mechanics.

Lastly, wh space is where you probably find more cloaked ships that anywhere, and we don't have any issue with cloaking as it is.

In WH space there is no local, so everything is cloaked as far as knowing at a glance who is in system. Kind of a poor example.

Mr Epeen

Gotcha.

I think we're on the same page here. I've always advocated having any ship that can fit a C/O cloak not show up in local unless they choose to converse with the local wildlife.

Mr Epeen

When I was living in Stain we had three guys we knew were cloaked up somewhere in our system(s) because they would nab the occasional ratter kill. More often than not they were afk than actually actively hunting us. It never stopped us from ratting etc. We just started having our own guys cloaking up and waiting for them to uncloak so we could nab them.

It became a game of cat and mouse. Sometimes the mouse won, sometimes the cat won, but at no time did it really stop us from doing what we wanted.

I then moved into WH's where there is no local to let me know someone was there or not. At that point you assume there is ALWAYS someone there and start actively playing what I personally consider is the REAL game of EVE. Being aware of your surroundings. Being always prepared for the gank attempt and playing accordingly, and never assuming you are alone or that someone in the system is just cloaked and afk.

My personal opinion is they need to remove local from Null and have a limited (time effected) local in low and 'normal' local in high.

This would actually be more in line with EVE lore as High is patrolled and kept up by Concord and the local police forces (thus local is constantly updated and kept current by same), low is only semi cared for (and thus local is only updated once every 30 minutes) and null is ignored by the powers that be (and thus there is no local 'unless you talk in it'. WH's of course have no jump gates and as such have never had a local thus the only time transmissions are received by pilots is when someone speaks on the local communications channel.

My advice. Go live in a WH for about 3 months and you will quickly learn that someone afk cloaking in your null/low/high system is NOT a deterrent to your game-play. You learn totally different skills in wh's to survive and those skills are equally as useful in null/low/high.

~Z

Personally I don't think that should even be an issue at all. Stations are large structures that even a Nyx Mothership can't take out (though it can damage it). Not to mention they also have those really big guns to shoot aggressors with.

As outlined in my post above yours, afk cloaking isn't really the problem people make it out to be. They just want eve on easy mode and don't want to have to actually work at staying alive. So, rather than.. you know.. actually learning how to counter or work against an afk cloaker, they come here and cry to nerf cloaking devices.

WH dwellers get along fine w/o any local using the tools currently at hand and you can almost always bet there will be SOMEONE in your hole cloaked up watching you. So to those who think an afk cloaker locks up a system... I say. Go live in a wh for 3 months, learn how to live and adapt to that environment, and afk cloakers won't be a problem for you anymore.

~Z

Wormholes are much more risk vs reward though tbh, yes I cant see local in my wormhole and theres a risk that there at any time may be a fleet of cloaky ships ready to strike, but at the same time I can solo a site and get about 100million isk rather quickly.

The main issue here is that there are no counters for a stealthed ship shutting down an entire system and it is game breaking. In null sec I lost count of how many times everyone was banned from ratting or doing whatever they were doing because some guy was in local stealthed.

A good fix for it would to be to make it so stealthed ships can be scanned down with combat probes

yes make it hard to do, make it a pain to scan them down but make it possible.

I beleive this would silence the cries of frustration because the stealther can still be there, he/she can still shut down a system but they will have to be actively playing so that they can warp around to avoid being scanned down and killed. I see no reason why a stealthed ship cant be scanned down.