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The Great AUR Itema Devaluation: A solution

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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#1 - 2012-06-27 19:58:48 UTC
While my toon is laughing derisively at the tears these self-styled "speculators" suffer, the reality is that I do feel bad for those that bought PLEX/AUR with real money, to turn it into AUR. Since CCP disallows RMT these were not players who wanted to speculate in real money.

Some of them want a return on their "investment" similar to the going market price of these items at the time of devaluation. That is hilariously self-serving, even if I can feel their pain.

So I suggest that all accounts that bought said items using AUR (not in the market using isk), and never sold it in the market, be reimbursed the difference between what they paid in AUR, and the AUR cost of the item today, of course, in AUR. This way they can use the AUR as they see fit, but are not given speculator level ISK. They would have 12,000 to spend.

Also, make this retroactive to the point of the devaluation. After all, some might have sold the items already even for the low price out of rage.

Since someone who kept the item is less likely to be an speculator, it means they are truly getting screwed over by CCP. Rather than by themselves for making a bad investment.

This way real money payers are happy.

That said, don't extend the courtesy to those who bought plex for aur using isk or bought the items directly in the market for isk. After all, losing a virtual currency can be painful, but still virtual. Real money, on the other hand, well, that is understandably painful.

And I do not suggest any other remuneration, because that would be unfair. If they were willing to spend their money in AUR, their intent on what to do with this AUR is of no real importance. So free subscriptions etc, is an undue burden on CCP. 

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Price Check Aisle3
#2 - 2012-06-27 20:03:08 UTC
lol AUR.
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#3 - 2012-06-27 20:12:46 UTC
I feel bad for the players that paid real money for AUR, all three of them must feel terrible.

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PinkKnife
The Cuddlefish
Ethereal Dawn
#4 - 2012-06-27 20:31:05 UTC
They bought the items at their own volition. CCP made no claims that the items were investment grade, and any assumption that they were is on the buyers, it is not CCPs job to make people space rich by speculating on what might be rare and what might not be. If all you wanted was the fancy shirt, then you still have it.

It sucks you aren't special happy sauce anymore because other people can get a fancy shirt too. But, you can sell all those and go buy a monical and be super happy special sauce again.

In short, build a bridge, and jump through it (get over it).
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#5 - 2012-06-27 20:36:15 UTC
PinkKnife wrote:
They bought the items at their own volition. CCP made no claims that the items were investment grade, and any assumption that they were is on the buyers, it is not CCPs job to make people space rich by speculating on what might be rare and what might not be. If all you wanted was the fancy shirt, then you still have it.

It sucks you aren't special happy sauce anymore because other people can get a fancy shirt too. But, you can sell all those and go buy a monical and be super happy special sauce again.

In short, build a bridge, and jump through it (get over it).



You realize I didn't buy this stuff, right? I just think it is bad precedent to extend to the real economy (ie real money) what is ok in the fake. Its a matter that the unfairness inherent to the in-game economy shouldn't extend to the real economy. This is why I am not suggesting AUR reimbursement for people who bought plex using ISK, only real money. And people who didn't speculate (because speculation requires, you know, actually selling it in market).

So yeah, your rage is uncalled for in this thread and actually betrays a lack of basic reading comprehension.
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#6 - 2012-06-27 20:52:05 UTC
Just like to add that, despite my sarcastic remark, I actually agree with crunchie

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Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#7 - 2012-06-27 20:53:16 UTC
yAUR?

Love, CCP

John Hancock
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#8 - 2012-06-27 20:58:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Quote:
So I suggest that all accounts that bought said items using AUR (not in the market using isk), and never sold it in the market, be reimbursed the difference between what they paid in AUR, and the AUR cost of the item today, of course, in AUR. This way they can use the AUR as they see fit, but are not given speculator level ISK.


I respect your trying to be fair, however none of those items were ever purchased with AUR. They were never offered for sale via the NEX or had any value attached to them what so ever, other than what other players wanted to purchase them for in ISK on the secondary market.

The items in question were thrown in as an added incentive to purchase PLEX at a special price or boxed sets, and never had an AUR value until added to the NEX.

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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#9 - 2012-06-27 21:11:38 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Quote:
So I suggest that all accounts that bought said items using AUR (not in the market using isk), and never sold it in the market, be reimbursed the difference between what they paid in AUR, and the AUR cost of the item today, of course, in AUR. This way they can use the AUR as they see fit, but are not given speculator level ISK.


I respect your trying to be fair, however none of those items were ever purchased with AUR. They were never offered for sale via the NEX or had any value attached to them what so ever, other than what other players wanted to purchase them for in ISK on the secondary market.

The items in question were thrown in as an added incentive to purchase PLEX at a special price or boxed sets, and never had an AUR value until added to the NEX.


I see. Pardon my ignorance, as I mentioned, I didn't buy this stuff.

So to be clear, they got the item and the plex? Or did they get the item, or the plex?
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Nyreanya
Serenity Labs
#10 - 2012-06-27 21:14:33 UTC
I seem to remember Supercarriers also having their value reduced rather drastically very suddenly.
Didn't see CCP refunding anything then.

[/sarcasm]
Jason Auralis
The Marshall Group
#11 - 2012-06-27 21:17:05 UTC
Maybe if they added more stuff to buy individual items wouldn't be so prone to massive price fluxes. Someone new buys some AUR then realizes how little their is to spend it on, so they end up buying more of single items that seem to be selling the best for ISK.

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PinkKnife
The Cuddlefish
Ethereal Dawn
#12 - 2012-06-27 21:17:14 UTC
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:

You realize I didn't buy this stuff, right? I just think it is bad precedent to extend to the real economy (ie real money) what is ok in the fake. Its a matter that the unfairness inherent to the in-game economy shouldn't extend to the real economy. This is why I am not suggesting AUR reimbursement for people who bought plex using ISK, only real money. And people who didn't speculate (because speculation requires, you know, actually selling it in market).

So yeah, your rage is uncalled for in this thread and actually betrays a lack of basic reading comprehension.



Yes I can read, I understand you didn't buy the stuff. I'm telling you, and the buyers, to get over it because tough **** happens, you place a bad bet and you reap the risk or reward there in.

Also, This, and

Ranger 1 wrote:
however none of those items were ever purchased with AUR. They were never offered for sale via the NEX or had any value attached to them what so ever, other than what other players wanted to purchase them for in ISK on the secondary market.

The items in question were thrown in as an added incentive to purchase PLEX at a special price or boxed sets, and never had an AUR value until added to the NEX.


This:

Crunchie Attuxors wrote:


I see. Pardon my ignorance, as I mentioned, I didn't buy this stuff.

So to be clear, they got the item and the plex? Or did they get the item, or the plex?


They got BOTH. The special happy shirt was thrown in as a gift when you purchased a group of 12 plex (or whatever the deal was). You got both the plex AND the shirt. People bitching that the shirt is now worthless, have no pity from me, because it was a gift, not a speculative risk for you to get even more space rich on.


Perhaps before you start calling out people for reading comprehension you learn the situation.Big smile
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#13 - 2012-06-27 21:17:41 UTC
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
While my toon is laughing derisively at the tears these self-styled "speculators" suffer, the reality is that I do feel bad for those that bought PLEX/AUR with real money, to turn it into AUR. Since CCP disallows RMT these were not players who wanted to speculate in real money.

Some of them want a return on their "investment" similar to the going market price of these items at the time of devaluation. That is hilariously self-serving, even if I can feel their pain.

So I suggest that all accounts that bought said items using AUR (not in the market using isk), and never sold it in the market, be reimbursed the difference between what they paid in AUR, and the AUR cost of the item today, of course, in AUR. This way they can use the AUR as they see fit, but are not given speculator level ISK. They would have 12,000 to spend.

Also, make this retroactive to the point of the devaluation. After all, some might have sold the items already even for the low price out of rage.

Since someone who kept the item is less likely to be an speculator, it means they are truly getting screwed over by CCP. Rather than by themselves for making a bad investment.

This way real money payers are happy.

That said, don't extend the courtesy to those who bought plex for aur using isk or bought the items directly in the market for isk. After all, losing a virtual currency can be painful, but still virtual. Real money, on the other hand, well, that is understandably painful.

And I do not suggest any other remuneration, because that would be unfair. If they were willing to spend their money in AUR, their intent on what to do with this AUR is of no real importance. So free subscriptions etc, is an undue burden on CCP.




Oh this is like when CCP introduced the LP store back in 2007 and the price of LP items pretty much halved within a couple of weeks so CCP reimbursed all the people who'd bought LP store stuff.

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KrakizBad
Section 8.
#14 - 2012-06-27 21:23:04 UTC
I have a lot of broken PI products, reimburse those first, thanks.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#15 - 2012-06-27 21:28:32 UTC
Investors loose money all the time. Why should it be different in EvE? The OP doesn't even make sense. There is no investment insurance. If people are speculating on anything they may make ISK or they may loose it.That's just how it works!

Get a grip. Roll

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ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-06-27 21:29:55 UTC
If we could trade Aur like isk it would be easier to see where the market really lies.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#17 - 2012-06-27 21:33:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Quote:
So I suggest that all accounts that bought said items using AUR (not in the market using isk), and never sold it in the market, be reimbursed the difference between what they paid in AUR, and the AUR cost of the item today, of course, in AUR. This way they can use the AUR as they see fit, but are not given speculator level ISK.


I respect your trying to be fair, however none of those items were ever purchased with AUR. They were never offered for sale via the NEX or had any value attached to them what so ever, other than what other players wanted to purchase them for in ISK on the secondary market.

The items in question were thrown in as an added incentive to purchase PLEX at a special price or boxed sets, and never had an AUR value until added to the NEX.


I see. Pardon my ignorance, as I mentioned, I didn't buy this stuff.

So to be clear, they got the item and the plex? Or did they get the item, or the plex?


Not a problem, there are a lot of accusations and half truths being thrown around.

Yes, they received all items in the special offer... the most commonly referred to offer being the one time offer of 13 PLEX plus the free Special Edition shirt thrown in, all for a discounted price.

People tend to confuse Special Edition (a usually common item that has some special quality to it, like an engraving or a non-standard color) with Limited Edition (a limited number of the items are made/available or only available for a limited duration).

Special Edition anything is usually a dime a dozen.

Limited Edition items tend to accrue value over time to collectors.

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Price Check Aisle3
#18 - 2012-06-27 21:37:46 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Yes, they received all items in the special offer... the most commonly referred to offer being the 13 PLEX plus the free Special Edition shirt thrown in, all for a discounted price

If they had no shirt on their back, not only did they get one but they got space-rich at the same time.
  • Karl Hobb IATS
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#19 - 2012-06-27 21:40:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Crunchie Attuxors
Ranger 1 wrote:


Not a problem, there are a lot of accusations and half truths being thrown around.

Yes, they received all items in the special offer... the most commonly referred to offer being the one time offer of 13 PLEX plus the free Special Edition shirt thrown in, all for a discounted price.

People tend to confuse Special Edition (a usually common item that has some special quality to it, like an engraving or a non-standard color) with Limited Edition (a limited number of the items are made/available or only available for a limited duration).

Special Edition anything is usually a dime a dozen.

Limited Edition items tend to accrue value over time to collectors.


Oh.

Then I retire my comment. I honestly thought they had bought it with AUR.

If they got it as a bonus, it makes zero sense to give them anything, after all, the plex is all there.
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Citizen Smif
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-06-27 22:55:17 UTC
I actually think this idea is a fair-enough one.. but if CCP decided to do this it would give the rest of us a sense of entitlement that every little change has to met with reimbursement. The forums are already full of people who somehow feel they are entitled to dictate how CCP operate. Player feedback is great - "do this, or mass-quit" is bad and now overused (and often false.)
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