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Sacrilege in Small gangs
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Sol Boma
Tarkin Enterprises
#1 - 2012-06-27 16:59:48 UTC
Greetings All. So recently I trained to get into a retribution, and in the midst of everything discovered the Vengeance. I love that little frigate and was wondering about it's cruiser counterpart the Sacrilege. I want to use it in small gang pvp, around 5 people. So my question is what are some of its strengths and weaknesses? I could get right into a zealot, but I am seriously debating on training up missile skills to fly this ship, plus having those missile skills would help when crossing over into Caldari ships. Most of the information I found was outdated by 2 years or more. Also I saw some cookie cutter fits, but if anyone has a fit they really like I would love to take a look. Thanks again on any advice! Fly Risky!
McRoll
Extraction and Exploration Ltd.
#2 - 2012-06-27 19:01:07 UTC
Its a tanky HAC with mediocre DPS basically. Since it doesnt use cap for weapons it can be active armor tanked really well, this is its domain. If you need tanky HAC's, go for it. It all depends what you want to do and the ships your gang consists of, as usual.
Bill Serkoff2
Tachyon Technology
#3 - 2012-06-27 19:27:10 UTC
Its DPS isn't mediocre, it's just difficult to apply. If you're well-skilled in HAMs, go for it.

"The Cyclone and the Drake are two ships which will basically never be good for shield tanking, primarily because they have almost no lowslots in addition to shield tanking bonuses. " -Iam Widdershins
Sentry 10
Escape Velocity
#4 - 2012-06-27 20:34:41 UTC
the Sacrilege (one of my favorites) is indeed tanky. It is also slow, and with its dps coming from HAMs it's easy for the enemy to kite you and get away.

Its role is best served as a bait. Once the enemy engages you your mates can jump in, and with the help of a tackler you can finally apply full dps from your HAMs.

fit a neut in its utility slot too for that extra support
Sentry 10
Escape Velocity
#5 - 2012-06-27 20:43:38 UTC
As for fits the standard dual MAR setup will do.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#6 - 2012-06-27 21:04:55 UTC
It is one of the few ships that can effectively use active reps in PvP.
loki energon
Anasazi Wanderratter's Social Club
#7 - 2012-06-28 05:37:34 UTC
the sacrilege is a great pve boat, not had a chance to run her in pvp yet, but i love this ship. no really, i REALLY love this ship.
i flew a hookbill for a bit and went the usual missle route, drake, raven. CNR. and then i started training for nightmare.........65 days......well then, what else fits my skills, and looks fun to fly, and fits in between drake and nightmare?

turns out theres the sacrilege. passive tank, no cap using weapons. great resists.

i fly this like my old hookbill, get in fast, orbit at range, and beat the snot out of red dots. heres the fit ive been using this past month and i love it.

5x heavy assault II

med cap battery II
true sansha cap recharger
phased weapom nav array extron
experimental 10mn mwd

DCII
shadow serpentis armor repper
shadow serpentis energized adaptive nano membrane
centii A-type therm plate
CN ballistic control

med loading bay accelerator II
med rocket fuel cache I

3x drone of choice



this ship is cap stable with either repper OR mwd......lol that makes for some great fun. with my skills, i got 3 mins overlap time with evreything on...havent got lower than 40%ish armor. i overheat high slots as necessary and try to take out the big guys first then let the poo roll down hill. oh almost forgot....

498 dps using T2 rage of ANY flavor :)
578 dps overheated, thats no joke, no eft carp there, punch you in your face.
EHP is on the low end i wont lie. 21k but its a cruiser..... but thats not bad news
resists are great 82% em 76% therm 77% kin 88% exp.
heres the kicker tho.
its fast.
no really, its fast.

247kph lol..... then hit that cap stable whooosh button.
1321kph. orbiting at 22km......slapping a 1080 volley every 2.7 seconds . i think this will hold me over for another 60 or so days until i can get my nightmare.






kill em all.
Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-06-28 08:02:37 UTC
Sentry 10 wrote:
the Sacrilege (one of my favorites) is indeed tanky. It is also slow, and with its dps coming from HAMs it's easy for the enemy to kite you and get away.

Its role is best served as a bait. Once the enemy engages you your mates can jump in, and with the help of a tackler you can finally apply full dps from your HAMs.

fit a neut in its utility slot too for that extra support


The Sac has room for a web, you don't need a tackler to apply your DPS against almost anything you're likely to be tackling.
Its DPS is, however, mediocre - unless you start jamming on BCS in which case your tank is now mediocre. Just too few lowslots.
Some people might prefer a nos in the utility high, as there's a good chance you'll get neuted.
It's rubbish, basically. Deimos syndrome. It's got a niche as surprise logi-supported HAC but that's about it. Just another victim of the introduction of t2 BCs.
Sentry 10
Escape Velocity
#9 - 2012-06-28 08:52:40 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
Sentry 10 wrote:
the Sacrilege (one of my favorites) is indeed tanky. It is also slow, and with its dps coming from HAMs it's easy for the enemy to kite you and get away.

Its role is best served as a bait. Once the enemy engages you your mates can jump in, and with the help of a tackler you can finally apply full dps from your HAMs.

fit a neut in its utility slot too for that extra support


The Sac has room for a web, you don't need a tackler to apply your DPS against almost anything you're likely to be tackling.
Its DPS is, however, mediocre - unless you start jamming on BCS in which case your tank is now mediocre. Just too few lowslots.
Some people might prefer a nos in the utility high, as there's a good chance you'll get neuted.
It's rubbish, basically. Deimos syndrome. It's got a niche as surprise logi-supported HAC but that's about it. Just another victim of the introduction of t2 BCs.


Im well aware the sac has 4 mids for all your pointing and cap boosting needs, however that does not mean you won't get kited because if you yourself is webbed then you're still slower than most other ships under web.
Honestly the sac is really a staying-powerhorse but that's about it
Xhaiden Ora
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-06-28 09:06:12 UTC
Its extremely sturdy but the DPS is firmly "alright" and its hard to apply with the range of HAMs. It'll last quite a while in a slug fest though and my God is it a sexy looking beast. Not sure I'd fly it solo but I've flown it in a small gang a few times to good effect as it gives very few fucks when focused.

Wish I could drag more DPS out of it though. Much like the Legion is basically feels like its always 1 turret/launcher short.
Sentry 10
Escape Velocity
#11 - 2012-06-28 09:16:06 UTC
Xhaiden Ora wrote:
Its extremely sturdy but the DPS is firmly "alright" and its hard to apply with the range of HAMs. It'll last quite a while in a slug fest though and my God is it a sexy looking beast. Not sure I'd fly it solo but I've flown it in a small gang a few times to good effect as it gives very few fucks when focused.

Wish I could drag more DPS out of it though. Much like the Legion is basically feels like its always 1 turret/launcher short.


Indeed in a buffer tanked slug fest the sac will outlast its enemy, but most people that engage sacrileges are neut fitted ships. No one in buffer tank would engage unless they are overly confident.

And yes, the Legion with assault config and dual rep is fun
Argosus
Waverunners
#12 - 2012-06-28 12:15:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Argosus
loki energon wrote:


passive tank,.


5x heavy assault II

med cap battery II
true sansha cap recharger
phased weapom nav array extron
experimental 10mn mwd

DCII
shadow serpentis armor repper
shadow serpentis energized adaptive nano membrane
centii A-type therm plate
CN ballistic control

med loading bay accelerator II
med rocket fuel cache I

3x drone of choice



This is not a passive tank!

Quote:

no really, its fast.

247kph lol..... then hit that cap stable whooosh button.
1321kph. orbiting at 22km......slapping a 1080 volley every 2.7 seconds .



247,000.00 kph
1,321,000.00 kph orbiting.

dude, i only wish that was true :p


in all seriousness tho, the sac is a decent tanky hac. It does decent damage but is limited on range.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#13 - 2012-06-28 13:14:35 UTC
[Sacrilege, Test]

Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Ballistic Control System II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Target Painter II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
[Empty High slot]

Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I

Warrior II x3


personally i think 25km on HAM's is quite good. The garuntee'd DPS of missiles isn't to be scoffed at - that does more DPS than a HML drake and has nice EHP.

I like a bit of speed and range kite though personally :)

yes it is a brick, but it can at least outrun BC's :p
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#14 - 2012-06-28 15:26:53 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
[Sacrilege, Test]

Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Ballistic Control System II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Target Painter II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
[Empty High slot]

Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I

Warrior II x3


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Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-06-28 16:20:14 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:
[Sacrilege, Test]

Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Ballistic Control System II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Target Painter II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
[Empty High slot]

Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I

Warrior II x3


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