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Jake McCord
Greater Metropolis Sanitation Service
#1 - 2012-06-27 13:31:22 UTC
Tell me, has CCP ever thought of hiring one, to maybe head off the problems we seem to experience with each "upgrade?"

The only reason I ask. I used to work in the safety certification industry. (Underwriters Laboratories) And in the department I worked in, whenever we upgraded a program for use by the field offices, we ALWAYS had to analyze how the new program would interact with other software on the computer, determine if it caused memory leaks, did it integrate with the other software or not, and if the graphic representations render correctly.

I only ask as I have a friend, who's relative works in that field, apparently applied for a job with CCP, and was told they only wanted people who could do application work.

The way the patches come out after the "upgrade," I'd say they still only want application people, NOT quality control types.....unfortunately.

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Kyle Ward
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-06-27 14:06:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyle Ward
I'm sure they have QA guys, they probably just weren't hiring any *new* guys. Its also significantly harder to test commercial software that has to work on 500k frankenmachines and gawd knows what other abominations the EVE players are running, than corporate software for internal use on a few thousand standardized machines.

edit: Also, this game is 9 years old, I can only imagine the horror those guys must go threw tryining to make new features and decade old lagacy code play nice...

The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong!
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#3 - 2012-06-27 14:15:51 UTC
I too, have a comp sci bachelor degree.

ITT: let us throw around empty field jargon and act like we're the answer to all of life's questions.
Kyle Ward
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-06-27 14:23:03 UTC
Vicky Somers wrote:
I too, have a comp sci bachelor degree.

ITT: let us throw around empty field jargon and act like we're the answer to all of life's questions.


UJelly?

The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong!
CCP Soundwave
C C P
C C P Alliance
#5 - 2012-06-27 14:29:12 UTC
Kyle Ward wrote:
I'm sure they have QA guys, they probably just weren't hiring any *new* guys. Its also significantly harder to test commercial software that has to work on 500k frankenmachines and gawd knows what other abominations the EVE players are running, than corporate software for internal use on a few thousand standardized machines.

edit: Also, this game is 9 years old, I can only imagine the horror those guys must go threw tryining to make new features and decade old lagacy code play nice...


Yep.
Hannott Thanos
Squadron 15
#6 - 2012-06-27 14:51:14 UTC
Kyle Ward wrote:
Vicky Somers wrote:
I too, have a comp sci bachelor degree.

ITT: let us throw around empty field jargon and act like we're the answer to all of life's questions.


UJelly?

ITT: People who have comp sci bachelor degree. Finished mine this spring. (Game programming even! Hire me CCP? Please?)

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VanDam
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-06-27 14:53:56 UTC
No I'M Spartacus!
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#8 - 2012-06-27 15:03:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
I write code every day for my job. From servers to mainframes. Java, C/C++, scripts, .NET. Was writing programs in the late 90s that would go through other programs and fix Y2K bugs...

got started in the desert programming countermeasures systems of fighter jets in hex code. No training for it, was actually a specialist in avionics, not computers - nobody else to do it.

I don't have a degree.

Am I fail?

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
None ofthe Above
#9 - 2012-06-27 15:07:00 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I write code every day for my job. From servers to mainframes. Java, C/C++, scripts, .NET. Was writing programs in the late 90s that would go through other programs and fix Y2K bugs...

got started in the desert programming countermeasures systems of fighter jets in hex code. No training for it, was actually a specialist in avionics, not computers - nobody else to do it.

I don't have a degree.

Am I fail?


Nope, that's definitely win.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#10 - 2012-06-27 15:10:08 UTC
Kyle Ward wrote:
Vicky Somers wrote:
I too, have a comp sci bachelor degree.

ITT: let us throw around empty field jargon and act like we're the answer to all of life's questions.


UJelly?


If you are referring to the IT career, then obviously no as I already have one.

If you are referring to being the golden answer to all of life's question, then yes... quite jelly Sad
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-06-27 16:22:58 UTC
I miss the days when people actually could code and also optimize
and weren't told to avoid pointers like if they were from hell.
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#12 - 2012-06-27 17:30:09 UTC
ITT: CS majors who work as corporate drones or boring specialist startups are jelly that they cannot work in a cool game company with tens of millions in revenue. Also try to translate principles from closed environment vertical application development to open environment commercial gaming.

Also this is why coders need managers, businesses are not code :)
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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#13 - 2012-06-27 17:37:08 UTC
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
ITT: CS majors who work as corporate drones or boring specialist startups are jelly that they cannot work in a cool game company with tens of millions in revenue. Also try to translate principles from closed environment vertical application development to open environment commercial gaming.

Also this is why coders need managers, businesses are not code :)


And managers that have coding experience too. He needs to have the business to know where they need to go and the experience to know what is truly capable and how large projects can be to design and implement.

The Drake is a Lie
Ano Regni
YOKELS
#14 - 2012-06-27 17:49:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Ano Regni
I'm a software engineer and although your correct, I think the bottom line is that you can never know every machine's profile. I've seen instances where you install your software and some other app comes along and overwrites a dll and changes bit version or what have you, and takes down both apps, and all sorts of scenarios with not just professional Software but 3rd party apps as well, you'd spends forever testing apps. it is easier to troubleshoot the result of a conflict than to properly identify all possible scenarios that may arise.


Then competitor software companies and others wont release feature lists and other info you may need, and some require non disclosure clauses if you plan to install mulicompeting apps, then the licensing expenses, this gets into money and lawyers. People don't realise this.

And of course those on the outside (end users) always look back and say "why didn't you catch that during QA?".

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-06-27 17:52:01 UTC
VanDam wrote:
No I'M Spartacus!



The kick in the ass scene would stick with op's butt.

Lol

brb
Etil DeLaFuente
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-06-27 18:03:48 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
ITT: CS majors who work as corporate drones or boring specialist startups are jelly that they cannot work in a cool game company with tens of millions in revenue. Also try to translate principles from closed environment vertical application development to open environment commercial gaming.

Also this is why coders need managers, businesses are not code :)


And managers that have coding experience too. He needs to have the business to know where they need to go and the experience to know what is truly capable and how large projects can be to design and implement.


Worst case scenario i'm afraid. That kind of managers are most of the time completely lost with technical advances and can't think out of their outdated knowledge about software programming.
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-06-27 18:07:43 UTC
The QA Dept was drunk that night.

No, really. That one single night.

OK, well, maybe the other nights, too...
Ano Regni
YOKELS
#18 - 2012-06-27 18:18:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Ano Regni
Solstice Project wrote:
I miss the days when people actually could code and also optimize
and weren't told to avoid pointers like if they were from hell.


I think that was a personal choice Big smile (avoiding pointers)

C++ ... like the friend you hated to be around but learned to love :)

I am not a pirate, I work in private acquisition and redistribution dealing in personal assets
Alain Kinsella
#19 - 2012-06-27 18:30:01 UTC
Ano Regni wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
I miss the days when people actually could code and also optimize
and weren't told to avoid pointers like if they were from hell.


C++ ... like the friend you hated to be around but learned to love :)


Be happy your first major language wasn't Pascal, like in my case (high school, and I AP'd the 101 course in college). My God, it's taken two decades to get the hang of C thanks to that, and I still don't like it. I'm much happier in Perl, or Python, than C.

csh (usually combined with awk), on the other hand, has been the most abused 'language' here at work. Twisted I use language lightly since I know others don't see shells in that light, but you'd have to see our scripts to understand.

"The Meta Game does not stop at the game. Ever."

Currently Retired / Semi-Casual (pending changes to RL concerns).
Ano Regni
YOKELS
#20 - 2012-06-27 18:36:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Ano Regni
Sadly i'm the younger generation. I did vb 6 and C++ but when I was in college that was considered old. I first started college in 2001 and .net was just picking up, fact we had a choice to write in vb 6 or .net, fact I even remember J++

I mostly do java, vb.net,php now days. I prefer c based syntax over vb syntax, to me, c syntax makes much more sense logically.

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