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AFK Cloaking is botting.
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Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#81 - 2012-06-27 17:15:44 UTC
i am a meat popcicle that must go use the toilet while my stealth bomber floats in your 0.0 space. OMFG when did they call this botting?!?!?!

But seriously there is a definitive line between AFK cloaky in nullbear land to actuall botting.

Actuall Botting is a 3rd party program in many cases that alters game play doing the key strokes for ya and so on while youare off doing something else for hours. This, in other words is called CHEATING.

Haters going to Hate
Cheaters are going to cheat
Winners are going to KICK ASS
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#82 - 2012-06-27 17:16:50 UTC
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:
i am a meat popcicle that must go use the toilet while my stealth bomber floats in your 0.0 space. OMFG when did they call this botting?!?!?!

But seriously there is a definitive line between AFK cloaky in nullbear land to actuall botting.

Actuall Botting is a 3rd party program in many cases that alters game play doing the key strokes for ya and so on while youare off doing something else for hours. This, in other words is called CHEATING.

Haters going to Hate
Cheaters are going to cheat
Winners are going to KICK ASS


not empty quoting...

tbh if a hulk has to tank and ipso facto takes a isk income hit so too should nullbears...

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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#83 - 2012-06-27 17:24:36 UTC
Captain PewPew wrote:


Botting is a computer controlling and affecting an environment without human presence.


No.

Botting is using a bot, using a are software application, to mimic human behavior.

AFK cloaking is, well, being AFK while cloaked.

I have no interest in the debate over the butthurt Afk cloacking causes (I see merit to the argument both sides make, and will adapt either way).

However, this argument is based on an attempt to use "botting" as a slur, rather than as a technical description.

For example, bots are central to the operation of the internet and the web. Their use in competitive games (like this) is discouraged for reasons of basic fairness. But there is nothing inherently evil with bots. And trying to make this re-definition creates a lowering of the discourse.

If you want to argue against AFK cloaking, fine. But do it with logic and reasoning, not with spurious misuse of the English language.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#84 - 2012-06-27 17:25:39 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
I still believe there should be some method to scan down a cloaked ship.
Granted it should take a very long time for actual cloaky ships and less for say a drake with a cloak but both should be scannable with enough time.

I am talking 20 minutes.

One probe to find a player and put you on the same grid. (random 100 ~ 200km distance from them)
Another probe that can find a player with a slow moving probe that basically explodes and decloaks them.
Wrath of Khan "The thing has to have a tail pipe"
PS - can only use a covert OPS to find the cloaky ship.


IF someone is truly AFK they can be found. if not well the chances would be almost 0.


Props for contributing a post with substance in a GD troll thread, even though I don't really agree.

There are two types of ships. Ones that use a cov ops cloak and everything else.

For the ships like cov ops and T3s that are specifically designed to be undetectable, I'm inclined to go the complete opposite of what you suggest, but with the same end result of not annoying the locals and making them cower in fear behind their POS shields. I think these ships should live up to their name and be completely undetectable. That means not showing up in local at all. I would also like to see Black Ops included in the ships that can fit a C/O cloak but that's another topic.

For the other ships that just slap a cloak on because they can, I'm not so sure. Make them able to be probed out? That might be a little extreme. I think increasing penalties might be more the way to go. Such as a timer on the cloak or something like that.

Mr Epeen Cool
Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
#85 - 2012-06-27 17:39:03 UTC
Just move to a WH, and have an affair with the dscan button.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#86 - 2012-06-27 17:43:48 UTC
Title: "AFK Cloaking is botting."

GTFO and HTFU when you get better arguments.

I'm living in null and I deal with those every single time I log on.

Use those fücking intell chans, set traps, take notes, deal with it dammit !!

I don't know how you guys can complain about this, it's player created content with in game tools, I'm having fun with those and some times we even manage to "troll" each other or just make jokes about reactions.

Isn't this a splendid show off of what a social network game should look like? -it is !!

Stop complaining plz

brb
Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#87 - 2012-06-27 17:45:57 UTC
Cloaking should remove you from local.
Diablo Ex
Nocturne Holdings
#88 - 2012-06-27 17:48:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Diablo Ex
Tell you what, I think I will make this easier for you, OK?

When you see me (Diablo Ex) cloaked up in your system, start looking at your D-Scan.
If you see combat probes out, I'm not AFK.

No probes= AFK, safe to come out and play.

( Of course I make it a point to always have probes out, they are just 20 AU + above the planetary plane, beyond detection range of your D-scanner, but can be quickly redeployed in seconds to get a "warp-in" on that long undock bookmark you think makes you safe - but that also means that I uncloak for about 20 seconds every hour to keep the probes fresh).

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#89 - 2012-06-27 17:50:12 UTC
Diablo Ex wrote:
Tell you what, I think I will make this easier for you, OK?

When you see me (Diablo Ex) cloaked up in your system, start looking at your D-Scan.
If you see combat probes out, I'm not AFK.

No probes= AFK, safe to come out and play.

( Of course I make it a point to always have probes out, they are just 20 AU + above the planetary plane, beyond detection range of your D-scanner, but can be quickly redeployed in seconds to get a "warp-in" on that long undock bookmark you think makes you safe).



serious if there are nuets in the system and if you are in npc null space just do missions they put you deep in space and just keep an eye on d-scan...

if not get an alt in a cloaky falcon and he will save you if you are attacked... if not fit half pve half pvp and be prepared to die...

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Tybalt151
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#90 - 2012-06-27 18:02:56 UTC
I apologize. Next time I will attempt to drag my desktop in with me when I go to make the poop. My bad.
Korsiri
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2012-06-27 18:12:58 UTC
AFK Cloaking is the pause button for Eve.
Benjamin Eastwood
#92 - 2012-06-27 18:19:21 UTC
Obviously the OP is worried that AFKers are cloaked in space, watching their mother do unspeakable things to a buffalo for sexual-gratification.

For the buffalo's sake, we must perma-ban all those who AFK cloak.

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Momoyo
Rivinshield Trading Inc.
#93 - 2012-06-27 18:27:57 UTC
Sooo sitting afk in station would be botting too
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#94 - 2012-06-27 18:39:57 UTC
I really wish CCP would pull cloaked ships out of local so, at least, this stupidity can come to an end.
Imawuss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2012-06-27 19:43:57 UTC
Help! i'm afraid of people who are not playing the game!

Idea... get into a fleet so you can call in aid within seconds.
Or go out and roam and cause fear instead of being afraid of someone who is not even at their computer.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#96 - 2012-06-27 20:33:16 UTC
nullbears are worse than hisec bears, I mean at least hisec bears are afraid of people who are actually playing the game (and suicide ganking them) rather than people who aren't even there
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#97 - 2012-06-27 22:03:17 UTC
Went around in my newly trained stealth bomber alt.

It was great, run around a bit in nullsec, got through some camps and some amusing chit chat in local with the inhabitants.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#98 - 2012-06-27 22:14:45 UTC
Pinstar Colton wrote:
Afk cloaking is no more botting than traveling using the in-game autopilot. It requires a person to activate it and will do its thing until you tell it otherwise.



wait!?


there is an ingame autopilot?


way to break the sandbox ccp Sad

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#99 - 2012-06-27 22:28:22 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Pinstar Colton wrote:
Afk cloaking is no more botting than traveling using the in-game autopilot. It requires a person to activate it and will do its thing until you tell it otherwise.

wait!?

there is an ingame autopilot?

way to break the sandbox ccp Sad

Don't you know? All freighter pilots seem to like using it ...


I note that some bots just need you to activate it and then will do its thing until you tell it otherwise, so you might want to be clearer. As in "this was put in by CCP".

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Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#100 - 2012-06-27 22:35:36 UTC
I get the OP's point, although he could have nuanced it a little better. For this reason I think cloaks should overheat, or otherwise gradually run down, or use some kind of fuel in order to keep running. Doesn't have to be on a short timer, or use a lot of said commodity...

Nobody can seriously argue, unless they do this kind of thing for fun, that it isn't somewhat game breaking.