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Corp hopping. Is it going to be addressed? It's reaching ridiculous levels.
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Price Check Aisle3
#41 - 2012-06-27 13:57:52 UTC
The mantra from CCP is that you are paying for targets. If those targets are allowed to leave corp and deprive you of a target, they shouldn't be allowed back in until the war is over and you should receive a refund on your war costs.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#42 - 2012-06-27 14:04:59 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
he "only" had four million skillpoints. He was over a year old. Apparently, his CEO told him that once he got into a Hulk, he'd never need anything else, so he stopped training his skills.


And to think that people call gankers "griefers" What?

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#43 - 2012-06-27 14:11:29 UTC
I thought there was a new rule: If you drop from a corp at war you could not re-join for awhile, like a week.

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#44 - 2012-06-27 14:16:31 UTC
I suppose if we want to follow the paying-for-targets mantra and want to prevent corp-hopping... lets just change it so anyone who drops corp during a war has to pay the aggressor their own worth as a target. Then prevent them rejoining until after the war ends.
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#45 - 2012-06-27 14:16:52 UTC
Darius Brinn wrote:

Yes, I know. High Sec wars are for useless fools who fail at life and EvE, and yes, we should all come to deep 0.0 where your Titans and Drake/AHAC/Alpha BS fleets will pwn the everloving crap out of us, and we should all quit the game and send our stuff to the nearest AAA office...but, could we please discuss about the topic at hand?


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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#46 - 2012-06-27 14:20:02 UTC
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they not allowed to rejoin for a week now after leaving an at war corp?
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-06-27 14:31:43 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
I suppose if we want to follow the paying-for-targets mantra and want to prevent corp-hopping... lets just change it so anyone who drops corp during a war has to pay the aggressor their own worth as a target. Then prevent them rejoining until after the war ends.


I never had an agreement with Concorde that I could be sold. I'm fine with not being able to rejoin a corp while it is at war but leaving should be a legitimate right.
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#48 - 2012-06-27 14:31:48 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Kyle Ward wrote:
Ewww! I bet their Corp History tab is just a huge mess...

Oh, I have a story to tell about this.

I once warred a carebear miner corporation, the members of which were not even aware of the "corp history" feature. Some of them were many years old. They jumped between their alt corporations each time I put out a new war, per their CEO's instructions. When I pointed out their hip-hoppin' corp histories, a few of them panicked. One even biomassed his character because he thought that he would no longer be "employable" otherwise. When I questioned the integrity of that decision, he told me it doesn't matter anyway because he "only" had four million skillpoints. He was over a year old. Apparently, his CEO told him that once he got into a Hulk, he'd never need anything else, so he stopped training his skills.


I find it truly stunning how insular and clueless some players seem to be, especially when being led by such a clueless idiot as that CEO seemed to be.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#49 - 2012-06-27 14:44:06 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
I thought there was a new rule: If you drop from a corp at war you could not re-join for awhile, like a week.

This. One of our guys dropped corp and had to wait 7 days to rejoin. It's no longer a trivial matter to drop corp while at war.

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Darius Brinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2012-06-27 15:13:09 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
I thought there was a new rule: If you drop from a corp at war you could not re-join for awhile, like a week.

This. One of our guys dropped corp and had to wait 7 days to rejoin. It's no longer a trivial matter to drop corp while at war.


Still, he can avoid the consequences of being at war, when he originally decided to stick with the corp for a week.

I still think that ENFORCING a small period of "war aggression" in which you CAN be shot by war targets even if you dropped corp is the ONLY thing that will prevent corp hopping.

Most hoppers would gladly stay one week out of the corp if they can save an expensive ship or spend some time hauling and moving ships in peace.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#51 - 2012-06-27 15:30:56 UTC
Darius Brinn wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
I thought there was a new rule: If you drop from a corp at war you could not re-join for awhile, like a week.

This. One of our guys dropped corp and had to wait 7 days to rejoin. It's no longer a trivial matter to drop corp while at war.


Still, he can avoid the consequences of being at war,



He can do that by not logging on, too. Are you going to complain to CCP that you can't force people to log on?
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-06-27 15:38:54 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Darius Brinn wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
I thought there was a new rule: If you drop from a corp at war you could not re-join for awhile, like a week.

This. One of our guys dropped corp and had to wait 7 days to rejoin. It's no longer a trivial matter to drop corp while at war.


Still, he can avoid the consequences of being at war,



He can do that by not logging on, too. Are you going to complain to CCP that you can't force people to log on?


Camping them out of the game is its own reward

Camping and then to have them coast past you after they just left the corp is no reward

COME AT ME BRO

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#53 - 2012-06-27 15:55:24 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:


Camping them out of the game is its own reward



Yeah, bet he feels like a real loser while:

1. Playing on an alt you don't know about - maybe in your own alliance
2. Spending time with his wife and kids
3. Going on a vacation
4. Playing Battelfield 3

Yeah, great success there. He's a real loser. Oh wait...
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#54 - 2012-06-27 16:20:12 UTC
Ptraci wrote:

Yeah, bet he feels like a real loser...

speaking of which, nice corp history bro

http://evewho.com/pilot/Ptraci

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I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#55 - 2012-06-27 16:20:36 UTC
The point remains valid.

You should never have a situation where a pilot can simply click a button, undock, and be able to safely sail away from people who could kill him seconds before.

It is NOT a good game mechanic.

I am all for people being able to sacrifice a bit and evade a war dec (stay logged off, stay stuck out of corp for a while) but there needs to be a period of time (24 hours would be fine) for the war dec to not affect them anymore.

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#56 - 2012-06-27 17:07:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Ptraci
Skippermonkey wrote:

speaking of which, nice corp history bro

http://evewho.com/pilot/Ptraci


There are plenty of reasons to leave your corp, like, trying to anchor hi sec towers with the one toon that has almost perfect faction standings without all your alts dragging the average down. But hey whatever, I really don't care.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#57 - 2012-06-27 17:15:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
Ranger 1 wrote:
The point remains valid.

You should never have a situation where a pilot can simply click a button, undock, and be able to safely sail away from people who could kill him seconds before.

It is NOT a good game mechanic.

I am all for people being able to sacrifice a bit and evade a war dec (stay logged off, stay stuck out of corp for a while) but there needs to be a period of time (24 hours would be fine) for the war dec to not affect them anymore.




Well we're currently playing a game where the largest alliance in space is currently protected from a hisec coalition 1/20th of its size by a 20 Trillion ISK ($300,000 dollar) wardec ally shield. The game designers have told us that war is not supposed to be fair. Compared to that obscenity of game design one might consider that a bit of wardec evasion by individuals slithering through the gaps is pretty small beer in the grand scheme of things.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#58 - 2012-06-27 17:22:49 UTC
Darius Brinn wrote:
After the changes to war mechanics, small corps have it harder to wage war on large alliances, an activity that could prove very lucrative if done right.

However, today I'm here to cry and whine about good ole' corp hopping. Yes. Again.

We're currently in the middle of a tiny and friendly war with AAA pilots, and we're finding it quite frustrating to see how fond of corp hopping they are.

AAA pilots LOG OFF, get kicked out of corp on demand, relog, and bypass fleets and camps in NPC corps.

How come this hasn't still been addressed as an EXPLOIT?

It was suggested, some time ago, that whoever wanted to quit a corp before a war should do it before hostilities have started.

It was suggested that something similar to an aggro timer should be implemented, so that corp hoppers find themselves to be fair game for a certain period after quitting a corp/alliance in the middle of a war. Make it 48 or even 24 hours, but make it happen.

Is there any reason to explain why this hasn't been dealt with? I don't think corp-hopping was what they had in mind when they set up the corp recruitment/quitting rules.

Yes, I know. High Sec wars are for useless fools who fail at life and EvE, and yes, we should all come to deep 0.0 where your Titans and Drake/AHAC/Alpha BS fleets will pwn the everloving crap out of us, and we should all quit the game and send our stuff to the nearest AAA office...but, could we please discuss about the topic at hand?

Corp hopping is essentially WRONG, and AAA pilots keep doing this, when there are perfectly feasible, quick and fussless solutions suggested by the playerbase.


fair enough i mean if i leave a player corp it should drag the war to the new corp but not for npc... you should not be allowed to join a npc corp if you are war decced...

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Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2012-06-27 17:23:00 UTC
Darius Brinn wrote:
After the changes to war mechanics, small corps have it harder to wage war on large alliances, an activity that could prove very lucrative if done right.

However, today I'm here to cry and whine about good ole' corp hopping. Yes. Again.

We're currently in the middle of a tiny and friendly war with AAA pilots, and we're finding it quite frustrating to see how fond of corp hopping they are.

AAA pilots LOG OFF, get kicked out of corp on demand, relog, and bypass fleets and camps in NPC corps.

How come this hasn't still been addressed as an EXPLOIT?

It was suggested, some time ago, that whoever wanted to quit a corp before a war should do it before hostilities have started.

It was suggested that something similar to an aggro timer should be implemented, so that corp hoppers find themselves to be fair game for a certain period after quitting a corp/alliance in the middle of a war. Make it 48 or even 24 hours, but make it happen.

Is there any reason to explain why this hasn't been dealt with? I don't think corp-hopping was what they had in mind when they set up the corp recruitment/quitting rules.

Yes, I know. High Sec wars are for useless fools who fail at life and EvE, and yes, we should all come to deep 0.0 where your Titans and Drake/AHAC/Alpha BS fleets will pwn the everloving crap out of us, and we should all quit the game and send our stuff to the nearest AAA office...but, could we please discuss about the topic at hand?

Corp hopping is essentially WRONG, and AAA pilots keep doing this, when there are perfectly feasible, quick and fussless solutions suggested by the playerbase.


Well ~A~ is not the only one that does this there are many many others out there and strange as it may be i agree with you that the corp hopping is a pathetic and shows how useless of a pilot you are whther you are in nullbear land, trailer park trash land or in tinsel town. yes there should be a timer something like 24 hours once both sides can start shooting each other.

Now for that Empire snide comment. well i will let my empire folks know you want a fight. you just might get one they are getting bored beating up on the trailer park trash folks
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#60 - 2012-06-27 17:23:46 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
Jade Constantine wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
The point remains valid.

You should never have a situation where a pilot can simply click a button, undock, and be able to safely sail away from people who could kill him seconds before.

It is NOT a good game mechanic.

I am all for people being able to sacrifice a bit and evade a war dec (stay logged off, stay stuck out of corp for a while) but there needs to be a period of time (24 hours would be fine) for the war dec to not affect them anymore.




Well we're currently playing a game where the largest alliance in space is currently protected from a hisec coalition 1/20th of its size by a 20 Trillion ISK ($300,000 dollar) wardec ally shield. The game designers have told us that war is not supposed to be fair. Compared to that obscenity of game design one might consider that a bit of wardec evasion by individuals slithering through the gaps is pretty small beer in the grand scheme of things.



jade why dont you just add all those former allies to your alliance? that way they can still fight for you?

edit if corp hopping pulls them into the war... just make a bunch of alts have then join star fraction then join the former allies corp to pull them into the war!

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