Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yo :D.
You and me both, bro. Hehe.

I had posted a similar posting to the respective names like you did here just now; focusing roles of frigates on the specific tagged prefix.

STRIKE frigate allows us to give specific roles and differentiate (spelling/doesthiswordexist?!) from other ones, say a "Scout Frigate" like the Minmatar Probe.

I thought I'd tag this eve forum link of mine to what you said:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=648436#post648436

But to save the time of clicking, here is an excerpt what I said in that post - ignore the bad diction please :) :

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As for the Slasher, the stats etc look solid and since it is a T1-ceptor after all, I find these changes fitting.

Of course, there are always things to suggest.

As said just now, the "light frigates" here are obviously t1-ceptors, but I find it imperative that not all role bonuses should be the same across the board.
The awesome of eve ships was always their respective differences and not equality (let's ignore 1:1 ship balancing for now).

To keep it short, Slasher should have something different. A weak yet different role bonus than the 4x prop-jamming.

Give it ~5% range to jamming, give Condor -5% signature radius etc - these are wild suggestions.


OR

Feature the Afterburner Speed Bonus across all four frigates.


Just saying :).


On the side note,
I wanted to suggest splitting Ship bonuses from the "Description/Lore" tab and introduce an extra info tab called "(ship) Bonuses".


Likewise, the other small suggestion I had was that these specific light frigates - Slasher, Condor, etc - could deal MODULE dmg (like when overheating too long) when engaging enemy cruiser-size and larger ships.
Would/Could raise the significance of a subsystem-targeting yet fragile frig as well as the need for Nanite Toothpaste Paste.

But I will open a separate idea thread.

I personally think that most of the changes are quite nice. The only real complaint i have is that the executioner needs a tracking speed bonus. Laser naturally have a low tracking speed and can easily be out maneuvered.

The slasher (projectiles have good tracking, but still nothing to a blaster) The 7.5% bonus to tracking is invaluable i would honestly rather loose the damage bonus then the tracking bonus.
the executioner needs some decent tracking
the condor ( well rockets never miss)
the atron is either a kite or it's blasters have good tracking, and they pack a punch.


As for the slasher 4 mids well that is actually makes sense. It lets the slasher dual prop, dual web, or though on a td. Seeing as mimatar are the speed tanks this mid would be a very good addition allowing it to dictate the fight better.

I'm of the opinion that the mining frigates would make great logi ships, capable of keeping up with a frigate fleet and providing light support. Anything bigger than a frigate would slow that fleet down, so I think it's a nifty idea.

At the moment, I see the Tormentor as straddling the line between the Punisher and what the Crucifier will be (drone frigate), with partial laser and drone capabilities. It's popular because of its three mid slots, something the Punisher sorely needs, but until it does the Tormy will be stepping on its toes.

Don't MWD's have a set percentage increase in speed? Doesn't less mass affect afterburner speed?

My tormentor 2c:

I'm using it as a brawler and I'm having a lot of fun.

I like that it has only 2 turrets. It frees up resources to fit other module and it doesn't need to waste a bonus to improve its capacitor. It also has a great slot layout, it gives a high utility slot+good range control+good tank with decent damage.

Also, the fact that it use drones makes flying it a more challenging and rewarding experience.

You did a fine job with this ship CCP. Iterating over it is fine but please don't rush changing it completely.

I agree with most people condor is getting a major short end of the staff.

Anyone who says that it gets a 32 km lock range as a bonus gives them a huge advantage well not really.

As a tackle ship your flying yourself between 10km to 24km depending on if you are going disrupter or scram web style 32 km lock on range gives you **** here really.

So really every ship here is able to easily reach the 24km targeting range needed to tackle successfully if they put there skills in the right area.

Alot of people talk about the MSE tech 2 but to fit that your giving up so much no new player can even think about putting that on. And for the tech 2 small shield extender any experienced player knows that does crap.

My Ideas for a condor.

Caldari is that ship that is a warp dissrupter user. they need to operate in that 18km to 24km range to be successful in there intercepters

1 there speed agility should be messed with 2.85 agility with around 420 speed.

Now caldari frigate role bonus needs to be changed. so there rockets hit from that range I think. Light missiles should not even be on there role bonus. Kestrel is getting revamped and that should be the caldari Light missile boat of frigates.
I think a 15% velocity bonus with a 3% damage/flight time bonus would be great for these.


Not going to lie but you really screwing Tech 2 incerceptors as a whole here. I personally look at the past 3 week I have spent training my interceptor skills and go damn guess I am not touching them now. You are going to have to do a speed/agility boost to the current interceptors in one way or another to give a reason for people to use them anymore.

Wow I must have smoked something, I really thought the tormentor had a bonus for drones damage instead of capacitor bonus...

Just to clarify this for myself, is this all rockets?

Because if it is, I think thats a bit of a badly thought out idea. In terms of applied damage, the hawk and hookbill are already among the best frigates in the game, with the hookbill getting a 100% bonus to kinetic damage rockets at caldari frig 5, so it hits like it has 6 launchers instead of 3. This is the best damage bonus of the faction frigs already, due to having 3 weapon slots instead of two like the rest. And you're planning to increase this further by making rockets do more damage?

As for increasing light missile damage, I rather approve of that idea

Edited to add:

A simple way to get around the hookbill problem would just be to drop it to 2 weapon slots like all the other navy frigs. Rockets are not the feeble crap they used to be, and the hookbill really doesn't need the extra weapon to make up for it's ammo.

I agree rockets are solid DPS now.

There used to be a day and age when rockets were scoffed at, but those are LOOONG gone. The reliable and effectively consistent DPS of rockets is perfect at the moment.

Light Missiles I agree can be more potent. I don't know if they really need more DPS or just a higher rate of fire. 15 to 12 Second Rate of Fire on Light Missiles is the same as Heavy Missile Launchers. You figure they should fire a LITTLE bit faster than their larger counterpart?

A lot of the time by the time your first light missile reaches the target, the other target has shot you, reloaded ammo, pulled up his boot straps, warped in another 20 guys, etc.

12 seconds is a looong time for frigate combat.

Glad to hear it

Like Bloodpetal said, a ROF bonus to light missiles would actually not go amiss. Don't get it at low as the 2/3 seconds the rockets have, but maybe 6 or 7?