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Not another high sec miner thread.....Oh yes it is

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Dave Stark
#181 - 2012-06-27 13:50:49 UTC
Reech Yvormes wrote:
Dave stark wrote:

griefed? haha.

griefing would be podding you every time you undocked. (infact, no that'd again be your own stupidity for not moving your medical clone, but it'd be closer to the real defenition)

yeah they do it in starter systems for players who are still finishing up the tutorial and haven't been exposed to the basics yet. there's a difference between shooting an idiot, and shooting some one who doesn't understand the mechanics of the game.


i cal it grief because i have seen the guy on other griefing lists so he obviously does this a lot.



griefing, i'm not sure that word means what you think it means....
Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#182 - 2012-06-27 13:55:31 UTC
so let me get this right you guys are mining in null and low sec, with zero risk raking in billions and all the time youre here defending the right to gank and pod me mining 2m in a high security concord system. 1 month into my account?

because i wasnt fast enough warping away from a -10 security player flying around in a "high security" zone.

i really am not sure whats at work here, all i know is i cba with this game anymore.
Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#183 - 2012-06-27 13:58:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Reech Yvormes
Dave stark wrote:
Reech Yvormes wrote:
Dave stark wrote:

griefed? haha.

griefing would be podding you every time you undocked. (infact, no that'd again be your own stupidity for not moving your medical clone, but it'd be closer to the real defenition)

yeah they do it in starter systems for players who are still finishing up the tutorial and haven't been exposed to the basics yet. there's a difference between shooting an idiot, and shooting some one who doesn't understand the mechanics of the game.


i cal it grief because i have seen the guy on other griefing lists so he obviously does this a lot.



griefing, i'm not sure that word means what you think it means....


try the knowledge base for CCP own version of it.

here ill post it here for you.

Grief play

What is grief play?


A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making others’ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two (or more) players, such as corporation wars. The EVE universe is a harsh universe largely driven by such conflict and notice must be taken of the fact that nonconsensual combat alone is not considered to be grief play per the above definition.



An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes as well as the Arnon solar system (home of the SOE epic arc agent) is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated.
Dave Stark
#184 - 2012-06-27 14:00:40 UTC
Reech Yvormes wrote:
so let me get this right you guys are mining in null and low sec, with zero risk raking in billions and all the time youre here defending the right to gank and pod me mining 2m in a high security concord system. 1 month into my account?

because i wasnt fast enough warping away from a -10 security player flying around in a "high security" zone.

i really am not sure whats at work here, all i know is i cba with this game anymore.


zero risk? any one can shoot me at any time without a second thought. my 300mil ship can be destroyed by a t1 frigate worth less than my cargo. i am taking more risk than you. the difference is. i safeguard myself by watching intel channels, my local channel, my overview, my dscan. i choose to make myself safe, hence why i've never lost a hulk. you chose not to make yourself safe and you lost your... whatever ship it was you lost... and by acting like a gormless mongoloid you were mistaken for a bot and treated accordingly.

also, on the point of raking in billions, you CLEARLY haven't looked at the price of ore/minerals lately. there are only two nullsec ores worth more than high sec ores right now (excluding mercoxit)

no, because you decided not to even try to protect yourself you deserve everything you get. what's at work here, clearly isn't you.

Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#185 - 2012-06-27 14:01:30 UTC
Reech Yvormes wrote:
so let me get this right you guys are mining in null and low sec, with zero risk raking in billions and all the time youre here defending the right to gank and pod me mining 2m in a high security concord system. 1 month into my account?

because i wasnt fast enough warping away from a -10 security player flying around in a "high security" zone.

i really am not sure whats at work here, all i know is i cba with this game anymore.


No, what we are saying is that we've all been 1 month old, and didn't come crying on the forums when we got podded. We analyzed the event and adjusted our methods. It's easier to adapt yourself than expect things to change around you.

Anyway, it's starting to look like maybe this game is not for you. We like it this way, however. People have liked it this way for a very long time.

.

Dave Stark
#186 - 2012-06-27 14:02:30 UTC
Reech Yvormes wrote:
he does not profit from it in any way.

except, there is profit in ganking miners. hence, you are wrong.
Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#187 - 2012-06-27 14:08:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Reech Yvormes
well now its come to light from others that actually the apprantly dangerous parts of this game are not so (citation needed) and that i am actually the one taking all the risk, it becomes even more clear you guys just want to grief newbies. and are defending it so.

thats how it is, and thats fine.

you have it like that and its going to stay like that. why do you think i unsubbed right away.
Dave Stark
#188 - 2012-06-27 14:12:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Reech Yvormes wrote:
well now its come to light from others that actually the apprantly dangerous parts of this game are not so (citation needed) and that i am actually the one taking all the risk, it becomes even more clear you guys just want to grief newbies. and are defending it so.


the more dangerous parts of space are safer for us because we go out of our way to make it so. we weren't just handed a risk free high income hunk of space and told to have fun. nobody in this game is given that. those that have it have worked, and will continue to have to work for it.

no, you are simply choosing not to make yourself safe and then crying about it when you get shot at because you painted a bullseye on yourself.

we don't really give a toss one way or another about the newbies that have no effect on us. we're just pointing out that you're a victim of your own ineptitude.
Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#189 - 2012-06-27 14:20:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Reech Yvormes
yeah im sure it was a tough life for you. i guess i realise now that low sec and null isnt really the dangerous place. its being a newbie, without a corp, mining in high sec, thats the ******* hardcore part of this game.

i think, you guys should get over yourselves and surrounded yourself in a huge cushion in null space picking on newbies trying to train some skill ups and make some isk when they havent even found a corp yet.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#190 - 2012-06-27 14:24:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Corina Jarr
Reech Yvormes wrote:
yeah im sure it was a tough life for you. i guess i realise now that low sec and null isnt really the dangerous place. its being a newbie, without a corp, mining in high sec, thats the ******* hardcore part of this game.

i think, you guys should get over yourselves and surrounded yourself in a huge cushion in null space picking on newbies trying to train some skill ups when they havent even found a corp yet.

If would learn instead of expecting the game and CCP to take care of you things wouldn't be so dangerous.

Mine aligned, you will be gank free. Do a search for it on the forums for how to, I'm tired of typing it over and over.


Edit after reading back abit: how the hell do you get podded in HS unless you are afk or have dial-up? Pods warp ridiculously fast, and can't get stuck on stuff.
Dave Stark
#191 - 2012-06-27 14:28:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Reech Yvormes wrote:
yeah im sure it was a tough life for you. i guess i realise now that low sec and null isnt really the dangerous place. its being a newbie, without a corp, mining in high sec, thats the ******* hardcore part of this game.

i think, you guys should get over yourselves and surrounded yourself in a huge cushion in null space picking on newbies trying to train some skill ups when they havent even found a corp yet.


i've been playing this game for less than a year. during that year i also took a break from the game, i've had a total of 8 maybe 9 active months. i can't take credit for helping to carve out a foothold in null and it'd be arrogant for me to do so.
no, perhaps null isn't a dangerous place. however, that's because this is what happens when people work together and have a drive to make things happen.

get over ourselves? you say that like we went out of our way to ruin your day, which clearly wasn't the case. your inability to find a corp is your own fault, there's a whole goddamn forum dedicated to it. how do you think i got where i am? sure as **** wasn't because i sat on my ass doing nothing.
Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#192 - 2012-06-27 14:28:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Reech Yvormes
all this time you guys are just hypocrites. living in land of safety, defending the right to pick on miners in high sec where its really dangerous. "oh you didnt warp quick enough" lol "your ineptitude" ....

you guys were spoonfed by an established corp in a womb under a mask of danger because its called "null" or "low" sec.

i knew something was up. i knew it. thats why i unsubbed. you just want targets that havent got any support yet. or are alone.

what a scam you guys are running.
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#193 - 2012-06-27 14:28:46 UTC
Please continue OP, I started ganking in highsec because of players like you.

Working as intended? Lol
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#194 - 2012-06-27 14:30:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Corina Jarr
Reech Yvormes wrote:
all this time you guys are just hypocrites. living in land of safety, defending the right to pick on miners in high sec where its really dangerous. "oh you didnt warp quick enough" lol "your ineptitude" ....

you guys were spoonfed by an established corp in a womb under a mask of danger because its called "null" or "low" sec.

I take it you've never mined in hostile null sec...

Well I have, it isn't easy (long story short, I lost a bet).


And if you whiny HS miners would just mine aligned, ganks wouldn't happen. Get this through your head.
Dave Stark
#195 - 2012-06-27 14:35:22 UTC
Reech Yvormes wrote:
all this time you guys are just hypocrites. living in land of safety, defending the right to pick on miners in high sec where its really dangerous. "oh you didnt warp quick enough" lol "your ineptitude" ....

you guys were spoonfed by an established corp in a womb under a mask of danger because its called "null" or "low" sec.

i knew something was up. i knew it. thats why i unsubbed.

what a scam you guys are running.


you clearly haven't been to nullsec, you have no idea how "safe" you are here. perhaps you should try it before you comment on it.

i'm defending the right to pick on any one you want, at any time you want, because that's the intention of the game. the difference is, it's more profitable to pick on miners. if it's profitable. do it. make profit.

just for reference i've spent more time mining in empire space than i have mining in nullsec. i only lost a mining ship AFTER i moved to null. i wasn't spoon fed a thing, i've worked for what i have. my corps haven't given me anything but a chance to show them i'm worth their time. i only got that because i went out and grabbed my chance with both hands.
Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#196 - 2012-06-27 14:40:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Reech Yvormes
i find this all very revealing.

im not sure what to make of it really, all the safe people who know they are safe in a no security zone, defending the right to gank newbies miners who think they are safe but are not, in a high security zone.

im starting to understand why people are so admant to defend things and keep them just like it is.

its funny you guys call me inept and go back to wow this sort of thing.

and as it turns out. you guys could have been spoonfed and pampered all the time in null sec with no risk at all.

which of you were spoonfed in those areas, with no risk.

i imagine quite a few had to have eve played for them. taking no risk at all.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#197 - 2012-06-27 14:42:02 UTC
Reech Yvormes wrote:
i find this all very revealing.

im not sure what to make of it really, all the safe people who know they are safe in a no security zone, defending the right to gank newbies miners who think they are safe but are not, in a high security zone.

im starting to understand why people are so admant to defend things and keep them just like it is.

You clearly are trolling. Since you are just ignoring everyone to spout misinformed drivel.
Dave Stark
#198 - 2012-06-27 14:43:31 UTC
Reech Yvormes wrote:
i find this all very revealing.

im not sure what to make of it really, all the safe people who know they are safe in a no security zone, defending the right to gank newbies miners who think they are safe but are not, in a high security zone.

im starting to understand why people are so admant to defend things and keep them just like it is.


i don't know i'm safe in a no security zone. it's a no security zone, a hostile gang of ships could come rolling through any second like a plague of locusts and destroy every undocked ship they can get a warp-in on.

by virtue of the fact that it's possible to do it, ccp are defending our right to shoot any one we want, any time we want, in any place we find ourselves.

we're adamant to keep it that way, because that's how it's always been, and that's how we like it.

the whole system works both ways, we can do it, so can every one else.
Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#199 - 2012-06-27 14:52:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Reech Yvormes
but youre all pretty safe right, surrounded by people you know, established in a corp all of this yes?

and here i am taking all the risk, in high security space, without corp, without friends, learning the game, trying to make my own isk, paid for my own implants.

while you get all your **** done for you, safety in numbers.

there is definately some hypocrisy in this whole thread.

apparantly you all worked for it yes, flying around null sec alone without a corp mining it up with lots of risk.

yeah right you pampered fairys, maybe you should be in wow?

it seems to me now youre in the safest place you can be, defending the right to cherry pick people who are not safe or established in the game yet.

because its your right to.

pffff you guys are the trolls.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#200 - 2012-06-27 14:55:10 UTC
Reech Yvormes wrote:
but youre all pretty safe right, surrounded by people you know, established in a corp all of this yes?

and here i am taking all the risk, in high security space, without corp, without friends, learning the game, trying to make my own isk, paid for my own implants.

while you get all your **** done for you, safety in numbers.

there is definately some hypocrisy in this whole thread.

apparantly you all worked for it yes, flying around null sec alone without a corp mining it up with lots of risk.

yeah right you pampered fairys, maybe you should be in wow?

it seems to me now youre in the safest place you can be, defending the right to cherry pick people who are not safe.

Stop trolling.


You can be 100% safe if you just bothered to be intelligent.

Null is not safe, even with a huge alliance backing you. It just makes losses a little easier to absorb.