EVE General Discussion

perhaps this would be a good time to discuss reversing the "no pointing out that a csm candidate has posted unironically neo-nazi posts on the eve-o forums" policy!

I have written 3 different letters to the host. All have been ignored. I have reported the site to my local authorities and unfortunately there is literally nothing they can do. I have also had lengthy discussions with eve GM's through the petition system that have not even been able to block links from this site.

Frankly - short of well ... talking about this. I'm not sure what else can be done?

Just send the Host a demand to close the site within 24 hours and demand payment for the publishing of a picture without license to do so. Then just ask for a mere 5 cents per raw visitor to the site from the host for the entire time they have hosted it(the logs show exactly this). Failing that contact a lawyer as you have a case on royalties alone for the picture, it also falls under copyright infringement. That's just ignoring the other stuff of course.

I understand the challenges this face, but let me say a few things quickly :

First and foremost the purpose of Moderation isn't to be fascist.

The purpose of moderation is to promote healthy discussion. But. Funny, the situation you have created has promoted an UNHEALTHY situation.

That's the irony.

I have seen a complete post of 2000+ word of creative writing get totally "CUT OUT" and replaced with an ISD comment which was totally unnecessary because there was not a single thing that needed "censoring".

On top of it all, it seems that people are making decisions with no idea about who is doing what because our In Character thread was moved OUT from an In Character thread into a board that has our Official thread. Then. Because one moderator moved the thread, ANOTHER moderator came by and saw that there was a "duplicate" thread.

Except, the two threads were completely different purpose, from completely different perspective and posted in completely different places.

So now, YOU created a problem which we explicitly tried to avoid.

And WE are getting "punished" for it.

Yes, petitions are in, but nothing has been done in 2 days now.

On top of it all, I am now very suspicious about why we're having all these difficulties and wouldn't put it past the ISD team having personal interests in the moderation of our threads.

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So, let's ask the BIG question.

If the purpose of this is to promote a healthy discussion, then why am I not getting that sensation? Because personally, what is happening is very simple. People want to have FREEDOM. Excessive "policing" is NEVER healthy for a social community. That is called FASCISM.

Let's take a moment and see what happens when excessive authority is given to a group of people without any balance and controls ::

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

You may want a "PERFECT" EVE forum. But it is NOT happening. Period, the end. Sorry, this is reality. The best solution you have is to give people the liberty that they have earned and deserved. In over 9 years of operation you have not had any legal issues over your forum contents maintenance of PG13 despite understaffing, growing pains, community difficulties and so on.

The reality is simple. The purpose of moderation is to remind people you are there. Not to CONTROL THEM. Not to make them "perfect" citizens and make sure they "NEVER" break a law. Because, guess what? That ISN'T gonna happen. Police Officers KNOW people break the law all the time. Their purpose is to ensure that things don't get out of hand.

Now, I kindly request you review the petition I have in and UNDO the mess that your ISD team created so that I can have control over our thread back.

Thanks.

You are seriously going to attempt to justify Anti-Semitism?

If you want to talk like that, i hear some of the K K K have some forums. Pop over there.

Fascism : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism



Commitment to Organic National Community : The EVE Forums
People United Together as One People : We are All EVE Players
One people in National Identity/Suprapersonal connections : All EVE Players should treat each other nicely and fairly
Totalitarian State : The EVE Forums are completely under the purview of CCP
Mass mobilization of a Nation Through Discipline, etc : We will have the most awesome perfect "Nirvana" Forums ever by making sure everyone obeys are Forum Rules.
Fascism seeks to eradicate perceived foreign influences : The inability to have some control over how you present your material.




Alright. If that doesn't make my point, I don't know how to get through to you.

You can not have all of that. It doesn't work. Choose your battles, win your fights. I know this is not your INTENTION. But it doesn't matter what your intention is, it's the results.

And, when you see the word "Jew" being used here, do you feel the intent is to open a dialogue of the faith of Judaism, and the people who practice it?

Or do you think its being used to push predjudicial stereotypes?

This isn't an overreaction. Its people trying to justify why the inflammatory and horrific use of slurs is "okay, because i want it to be".

Grow up.

Oh boy, here we go again with the anti-Semitism card.

You seem to be the one having prejudices and forcing them on me.


Actually, yes, it is an overreaction. You see an inflammatory and horrific use of a slur, when there is no slur anywhere to be seen.

If I call a friend a nerd, that's not automatically a slur. If I punch someone in the face in class or on the street or at work and call them a nerd, it's most likely a slur. Context matters, and unless you learn to see context, you'll always overreact and call everything a slur, which is why we no longer have stewardesses, but "cabin personell", because some woman's group got offended about how the job title was offensive to women. Why? Because it was a woman-specific title.

Interestingly in UK law they absolutley have that right. People are quite able to claim racial discrimination in the work place purely from overhearing a conversation that was not meant for them which included language that was offensive to them. I've seen several instances where the "third parties" have been disciplined as a result and the business has had to pay compensation to the victim.

Its very important to realise that just becuase you don't think it should be an issue does not mean that is actually the case.