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To CCP - Womens Executor Coat Red/Gold mess-up

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Reloadin
#21 - 2012-06-27 07:04:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Reloadin
Funny thing is their dev blog said they had over 200 items to choose from, and someone decided to release this clothing which had an existing market price over any of the other apparel.

It was obviously done on purpose.

Lesson to be learnt? Don't ever buy another collectors edition or plex bundle again.

If I had a monocle , any other original clothing or quafe shirts I'd be selling those pronto as they've already basically said they will be releasing them in the future at the same thrifty price point.

Noble exchange? More like 2 dolla shop.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2012-06-27 09:41:50 UTC
assel wrote:
Dear CCP,

thank you for implementing a previously rare and valuable item into the NeX store and throwing it away for 500 Aurum.

The Womens Executor Coat Red/Gold was initially a bonus to the Russian Collector's Edition.
As far as I remember unique ships and items from collectors editions and special boxed releases of the game were always exclusive and therefore a sure investment in Eve Online.

Considering this fact I have been stockpiling 8 of these coats as a slow growing investment for the future. Until Sunday each of these coats was worth ober 350 million ISK.

Now you implement them for for 500 Aurum and thus dropping the price to 50 million each.

CCP, you just screwed every collector and investor of limited issue items.

You cost me 2.4 billion ISK, just by not checking which items were already available in Eve and how their market value was pre-patch.

That must have been the greatest slap in the face I have ever received in Eve Online.

I do await a statement from CCP regarding this matter!


isn´t it more like















































NOTHING IN THIS GAME IS OWNED BY YOU!

You spend money just to be able to use it. Nothing less nothing more.

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Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-06-27 11:34:02 UTC
Lipbite wrote:

For me (15 years in MMOs + real clothing shops / retail experience) it is clear CCP doesn't have any experience and clues about avatars, NeX, retail, micro-transactions, etc. I expect more screw ups during their experiments - like 500AUR cheap left/gold monocles for example.


Of course they don't. This is a ******* SPACESHIP GAME! They introduced avatars along with RMT items like this was the game focus and expected everyone to receive it with open arms. How ****** up is that? They use EvE to beta test WoD and Dust RMT, deliver no signifcant content to older players and people still wonder where did it go wrong. Now they are trying to fix all the mess but the damage is already done. Expect even more flop when npcs ship wrecks start dropping pants.
I'm not against avatars but they are doing this **** all wrong. They launched CQ as space doll houses. Clothing have no significance to game lore or mechanics at all. Pure slot machine sloppy design.
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#24 - 2012-06-27 11:57:19 UTC
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:
Lipbite wrote:

For me (15 years in MMOs + real clothing shops / retail experience) it is clear CCP doesn't have any experience and clues about avatars, NeX, retail, micro-transactions, etc. I expect more screw ups during their experiments - like 500AUR cheap left/gold monocles for example.


Of course they don't. This is a ******* SPACESHIP GAME! They introduced avatars along with RMT items like this was the game focus and expected everyone to receive it with open arms. How ****** up is that? They use EvE to beta test WoD and Dust RMT, deliver no signifcant content to older players and people still wonder where did it go wrong. Now they are trying to fix all the mess but the damage is already done. Expect even more flop when npcs ship wrecks start dropping pants.
I'm not against avatars but they are doing this **** all wrong. They launched CQ as space doll houses. Clothing have no significance to game lore or mechanics at all. Pure slot machine sloppy design.



In actual fact you are wrong. EVE has never, and will never be just a spaceships game. CCP have stated time and time again, going all the way back to before EVE was even released, that the idea was to create a fully immersive science fiction universe. This would include flying around in spaceships, walking in stations and some form of planetary game play.

As you can see we already have EVE, we are soon to see the arrival of DUST514 and with luck CCP will start to hire new people to work on the Incarna project once again. Yes they made a mess of Incarna, we know and they know it, but let's not use that as an excuse to halt the expansion of our gaming universe.

You learn lessons and then you move forward, if you don't you risk stagnation, and that would be a more certain death than merely trying and getting it wrong.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.

I am Infinity
The Forsakened Few
We Forsakened Few
#25 - 2012-06-27 12:05:13 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Welcome to the cut-throat word of internet spaceship game apparel.


<3 golden Lol
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-06-27 12:18:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Cutter Isaacson wrote:

In actual fact you are wrong. EVE has never, and will never be just a spaceships game. CCP have stated time and time again, going all the way back to before EVE was even released, that the idea was to create a fully immersive science fiction universe. This would include flying around in spaceships, walking in stations and some form of planetary game play.

As you can see we already have EVE, we are soon to see the arrival of DUST514 and with luck CCP will start to hire new people to work on the Incarna project once again. Yes they made a mess of Incarna, we know and they know it, but let's not use that as an excuse to halt the expansion of our gaming universe.

You learn lessons and then you move forward, if you don't you risk stagnation, and that would be a more certain death than merely trying and getting it wrong.


Try playing EvE without spaceships and what do you got? Market? You can't haul anything. All you have without spaceships is that brand new space dollhouse of yours that offers as much immersion lore-wise as watching a fashion showcase.
Afaik EvE has been a spaceship based game for 9 years now.

Like I said before I'm not against avatars or universe expansion. But they are taking too long to acknowledge the mistake of making it a full RMT feature and 'move foward' on this.
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-06-27 12:21:30 UTC
Make some clothing FW reward. Make a few other RMT only. Make some Epic Arc rewards. Thats not hard. Problem is they just wanted a slot machine. Greed is good? Think again.
Kyle Ward
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-06-27 12:23:17 UTC
Shoulda bought Guidance Systems. Bishis love Guidance Systems...

The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong!

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-06-27 12:23:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
Dude, all I can tell you is I feel your pain. Well, no I'm secretly laughing at you on the inside. That aside, do you remember the outrage at the prices back when the NeX was seeded? Do you remember how people were telling CCP that it was ludicrous to pay that much for virtual stuffs? And do you remember how the NeX was projected to be a complete and utter failure and that if CCP wanted the NeX to succeed they would have to lower those macro-transaction prices to micro-transaction levels?

Regardless, the NeX items could never be an investment. See, in order for you to achieve a return on your principle you would have had to been able to re-sell those items for a profit. But that could never be achieve because isk could always be used to buy plex which could be converted to aurum to purchase clothing. So, only bigger fools than you would be willing to throw more isk at an item to acquire it in a direct isk/item trade than a isk > plex > aurum > item exchange. And so, in reality, the cost of those items on the isk market could only ever be the price you paid for it or......wait for it......less as seen when CCP gave aurum away and certain items made it to the isk market for, in some cases, 30x less than what was paid for them in aurum.

And if you know anything about economics then there is one thing you can be sure of: If a product is failing at its current price point then it might succeed at a new, lower price point. Obviously, CCP has "devalued" your investment in the hopes to "revaluing" theirs. If the NeX would have been a success at macro-transaction values then you could be sure your investment would have been protected. Unfortunately, as predicted by many players, including myself and as evidenced by this new pricing, the NeX was a failure. CCP has now adjusted their NeX strategy to be more accessible and thus cheaper items.

PS: You might remember this epic meme http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc

Don't ban me, bro!

Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#30 - 2012-06-27 12:44:30 UTC
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-06-27 12:51:14 UTC
Exclusivity doesnt last forever, deal with it.

Will you also be complaining when DUST gets released on PC?

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION

VanDam
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-06-27 12:57:13 UTC
The only time I ever see peoples' clothing is on the forums, and even then it's only out of the corner of my eye as I'm reading a post.

Stop wasting your money.
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#33 - 2012-06-27 13:18:04 UTC
If you play the markets, you will, inevitably, someday lose. This was one of those times, just HTFU.

I doubt those few billions even are worth that much to you, seeing you must've purchased these clothes before with a reasonable amount of ISK hoping to strike a profit later.
Sun Win
#34 - 2012-06-27 14:07:02 UTC
Don't buy clothes that you can't afford to lose.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#35 - 2012-06-27 14:19:21 UTC
Reloadin wrote:
Lesson to be learnt? Don't ever buy another collectors edition or plex bundle again.
That seems like a rather nonsensical lesson. Why shouldn't you buy a bundle just because they throw in free stuff?
Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
#36 - 2012-06-27 19:05:55 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
And if you know anything about economics then there is one thing you can be sure of: If a product is failing at its current price point then it might succeed at a new, lower price point. Obviously, CCP has "devalued" your investment in the hopes to "revaluing" theirs. If the NeX would have been a success at macro-transaction values then you could be sure your investment would have been protected. Unfortunately, as predicted by many players, including myself and as evidenced by this new pricing, the NeX was a failure. CCP has now adjusted their NeX strategy to be more accessible and thus cheaper items.


Exactly, the main reason why the four not available (previously not available) items were so expensive is because of their rarity and not because of their actual aesthetic value. The 2 Quafe shirts is another good example if you look at the large price difference for almost the same shirt. Thinking more upon it I hope that CCP does reprice the more expensive items to what people would actually pay for them even if I do already own them. No different than all those anime DVD thinpacks/complete collections that came out a year after I had bought the individual releases, or video game complete/GOTY editions.
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-06-27 19:16:15 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Reloadin wrote:
Lesson to be learnt? Don't ever buy another collectors edition or plex bundle again.
That seems like a rather nonsensical lesson. Why shouldn't you buy a bundle just because they throw in free stuff?


Probably inarticulately expressed, more like:

"Don't buy another collectors edition expecting it to actually be exclusive and collectable."

The real lesson here is about the people doing the selling.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#38 - 2012-06-27 20:08:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
This has been gone over extensively in other threads.

You got what you paid for, which included a free Special Edition shirt... not a Limited Edition shirt... not a "one time only" ability to obtain said shirt.

Any offer that had "one time only" in the description was referring to the combination of the special offer AND the free shirt.

Edit: Trolling removed, CCP Phantom


Quite correct, my apologies for the unnecessary comment at the end.

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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#39 - 2012-06-27 20:18:50 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Posts that didn't add anything constructive to the thread got removed. Please be aware of our forum rules.

At this point of time I lack any information to comment on this with quality.

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer

Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#40 - 2012-06-27 20:42:02 UTC
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:

In actual fact you are wrong. EVE has never, and will never be just a spaceships game. CCP have stated time and time again, going all the way back to before EVE was even released, that the idea was to create a fully immersive science fiction universe. This would include flying around in spaceships, walking in stations and some form of planetary game play.

As you can see we already have EVE, we are soon to see the arrival of DUST514 and with luck CCP will start to hire new people to work on the Incarna project once again. Yes they made a mess of Incarna, we know and they know it, but let's not use that as an excuse to halt the expansion of our gaming universe.

You learn lessons and then you move forward, if you don't you risk stagnation, and that would be a more certain death than merely trying and getting it wrong.


Try playing EvE without spaceships and what do you got? Market? You can't haul anything. All you have without spaceships is that brand new space dollhouse of yours that offers as much immersion lore-wise as watching a fashion showcase.
Afaik EvE has been a spaceship based game for 9 years now.

Like I said before I'm not against avatars or universe expansion. But they are taking too long to acknowledge the mistake of making it a full RMT feature and 'move foward' on this.


Where, anywhere on the EVE forums, has anyone suggested getting rid of the spaceships? And clothing is not all that Incarna is about, something you appear to be mistaken about.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.

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