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"CCP you should hire him and read his posts"

Absolutely! Without a doubt.

if it's not possible to have old and new inventory system at once.
THEN REMOVE NEW UI and bring us back OLD UI.

Let OLD UI Stay, erase this new ui because it's crap.

^ Great post

I would suggest you start a new thread with your post. A lot of people are going to miss your post becouse the CCL thread pushed it down the first page. It needs to be read and commented on.

CCP RubberBAND:

Thank you for your response.

I'm no forum warrior, so my sample is a bit limited, but in my experience, your post is far and away the best response I've seen from CCP on any point of disagreement!

The key is that you've acknowledged each of the concerns - and how you plan to address them. Where you don't have a concrete plan, you point to how you're going to resolve it.

I hope that next time there's a crisis (hopefully they get smaller!) that y'all will look back at your post today and strive to get to that.

If I helped you get there this time, I am quite pleased. Thank you for considering my input. I really want you guys to succeed.

With over a thousand messages, I quite understand the challenge you faced (and still face) on integrating all of this input. I hope players appreciate how much work it took. And I'm glad to hear you found the time to go beyond the forums as well.

Now, on to your list, a few points/questions/comments:

Persistence: (This is primarily about terminology and model): Is the primary window being usurped a matter of persistence? It seems to me that primary windows involve two things -- (1) they're persisted separately (since they were never committed to a specific location, thanks in part to the usurpation), and (2) they're usurped. That latter is the most visible aspect, and is what should go away. That leaves you with a bit of residue of (1) . Opening the inventory via the inventory button would be the only remaining case, I think?

Shortcuts: I have some ideas on this, too, and if our ideas overlap, I really look forward to it. But getting us Ships/Items/Corporate Hangers somehow would really help, even if it's initially a stop-gap approach.

Right click: Your understanding is correct. If you could include also adding back buttons for ships and items and corporate hangers in stations, I think doing this one quickly will give you the most return on your time in making players happy. (I don't personally see a need for Corporate Deliveries/Returns to have a button).

Shift click: Double-click doesn't actually have that problem; single-click selects, double-click opens. Dragging out the window is interesting, but I think won't be easily discovered by new players, whereas double-clicking on a can in space suggests double-clicking on that same can in the tree view might be something to try.

Tree view: Indeed, a tough problem. Someone, maybe you, brought up something I took to point to filtered tree views. Perhaps that could help. So a shortcut to a corporate hanger would bring up a tree view with just the corporate hanger divisions for the hanger in question.

That doesn't address, however, the geometric complaints that a tree view adds a lot of width. Maybe you could switch between tabbed and tree presentations based on the number of locations? Or allow the user to switch presentations with a button on the title bar. You'd need to limit it somehow. Perhaps limit it to immediate siblings, and only if there's less than, say, 10 of them.

One thing you didn't touch on is the Assets window. That doesn't need to be addressed now, but since many of us feel that's where this feature should have entered first, we'd be interested in hearing your general thoughts on integration with it at some point in the future?

And finally, I can't resist commenting, even though you asked for it to be dropped, just because I like your analogy:


Well, actually, you can replace a brick. It's a lot of work, and can result in pinched fingers.

But here's the key point: As time passes, programmers place more and more rows of bricks atop the old. It gets harder and harder and more dangerous to attempt such replacement as time goes on.

It would have been far easier to do such wall surgery when it was first introduced on SiSi than it would be at this point.

But there we reach the limit of the analogy. We didn't really need the brick replaced. Fixing it is fine. Bringing us back what was lost, in the new context is the right way to go at this point.

I think there's a lot of potential for good from the new system once these issues are resolved. I don't find filters to be as useful as I'd like -- but I think you could make me very happy very easily. The shortcuts could also be a big win. But that's all enhancements for the future.

Again, thank you for your well-thought-out response. I look forward to hearing more as this progresses.

Building on what Salpun suggests: I would suggest this be turned into a Dev Blog, with its own thread.

I have No. Friggin. Idea. how I wrote Soundwave there.

I wasn't thinking of CCP Soundwave at all. I did manage to type it right when I put in the quote.

My apologies CCP RubberBAND. I'll go edit it before I confuse anyone.

TABS not trees , i say again ,TABS not trees

we don't want to have to scroll to find hangars and with the old tab system we didn't have to

we want to be able to do things with out double scrolling here let me explain it to you

you have something in your very last corp and hangar you want to add to your cargo

you scroll down the stupid tree and find the hangar then you have to scroll the hangar to find the item but you cant drag and drop with out scrolling back up the stupid tree

now look at tabs we click the tab and we are in voila

we can separate the tabs with a simple drag like we do chat windows so if we want more windows we can get more windows

there is no longer any scrolling up and down a stupid file tree

this would fix 99.5% of the complaints and be just a little closer to having the old system back

and DON' T insult us with well the tree is only tabs on their side comment because they are not, with a tab system there would be no need to scroll except for in the hangar itself

the efficiency was lost the instant the tree came in , we want your tabs style system back , if you cant give us the old one back at least give us this functionality of it ,

this is like a sick game of hide and seek and we just want to be able to access our stuff with out hassle
the game should be EVE not scroll and find

Its about this functionality and CCP does not get it

please chop down this tree and take it to the woodpile ,and give Us back our Tabs

CCP rubberband....

Thank you for your post. This is the most sensible and informative post any CCP employee has made since this fiasco started. It is nice to finally see that you acknowledge the issues and are working on solutions, as opposed to some condescending comments from some of your colleagues.


However, one question remains.....


After the many, many complaints from users within days of this system hitting Sisi, why did you not stop it there. There cannot have been that many bricks on top of yours at that point in time, but you continued blindly on. It was clear back then that there were major issues with the fundimental way this system was constructed, and it should never have been brought to TQ.

When we heard the comment "We honestly thought we were ready" from one of the Devs, it defied belief and really made us wonder if anyone involved actually played the game. I mean ACTUALLY play. Properly.

So, please tell us why you did not stop this in its tracks when you saw all that feedback on Sisi ?

CCP Dev says
"I would like to state that there is no performance increase in removing this. None. I have seen a lot of posts claiming that removing the ISK price would reduce the lag. It would not. It has nothing to do with lag. The way we move items across inventory locations however has changed, and when moving (say 500 blueprints) from one location to the next, the EST price will change as the items are moved out in batches. This is an easy visual indicated but the problem is somewhere else and we are investigating this."
Well this is really ******* annoying.I dont need another ******* pop up that is incorrect as well as annoying.Bunch of self congratulatury cunts,just pissing people off because thay get to play with code. Which dumbfuck cant tell that the UI is a piece of ****,and is unwanted by the majority of players.I'm so happy I cant run a POS.Even salvaging and looting is a pain.Everytime I opne a wreck so does my cargohold,and it pops up a litle maessage giving me a worthless approximation of its value.Petitions,bloody things.I sent one in explaining that something was not happening.I got an email asking for a screenshot of "something not happening"Not been able to work out how to do that one. Today the petition has gone,only evidence of one is my email.
Wow, I need to go chill somewhere .
ps, the filter is objectionable too.It fillls up this gap I want.To remove it I have to click on it to wake it up, then I have to click again to make it retract.My clicky finger now has rsi and heavy bruising.

Oh, man, would I love it if we got the ability to configure specific access to other corps and individuals. The possibilities for increased interaction and inter-player dynamics are vast.