Missions & Complexes

Once again, you show you don't have a clue.

Allow me to reiterate: that safety in null sec is player driven. Players make it safe via intel channels, home defense fleets and other means. That safety is something players provide. Not Concord. So comparing it to the level of safety provided in high sec is moot.

And thats disregarding the potential for roaming gangs while most people are on deployment as well as the occasional awoxer.

I know there is this perception that null is safer than high sec but that is only true because players make it that way. This is a good thing.

Thanks for the post. I've made the mistake responding to some of the off topic posts.

I think PVE would be more interesting if we had something like that where missions weren't so predictable and required a small fleet. I said three to five because that would make it easier to get the fleet started.

Maybe we could get an intelligent discussion going. Here are some on topic questions for discussion.


Are you more into the PVP or PVE aspect of Eve?

What changes would you like to see to highsec PVE content?

Would you join a fleet even if the ISK per hour was only slightly more?

I happen to like Jelizza's posts.

YOU may think longer, informative posts are silly but please don't go thinking that everyone lacks your intellectual curiosity.

Because she obviously CAN.

Quite contrary to all those one liner posters that keep you guessing what info is hidden in those few words.


ON Topic:

CCP wanted to create a dark and thrilling atmosphere for this game. In that I think they succeeded. Now they also want people to venture out "in the wild" too. Kind of hard to achieve both goals. Playing together could help.

But - they also (actively!) created an atmosphere of constant mistrust, even paranoia. Asocial behavior can bring you far in this game, as it is rewarded by game mechanics. Not the best base for cooperative game play.

As a result, people tend to lone in high sec. And who's to blame them for that?

They get your point but that doesn't stop them from trolling. I think some feel that attention given to fixing PVE content will be less attention to fixing content they like in the game. This is understandable of course. Also some trolling is just by people that don't care either way but want to stretch their e-peen.

The best thing you can do is ignore the trolls... Although they do bump the post every time they respond:)

The PvE pewpew is what brings meta, deadspace and officer loot though. Doubt many see that as a waste.

Anyways, the discussion was about adding a multiplayer option for missions rather than the bland, boring, grind that is the still-surviving remenants of a 9 year old mission system.

What would be negative about adding a mission system that allows people to fleet up and work together? In fact, I want to rather use the word *encourages* people to fleet up and work together?

They get to know the fleet basics.
They get familiar with relying on other players and not just themselves.
They become encouraged and motivated to seek out teamplay rather than soloing.

EVE has both PvE and PvP, and one can not exist without the other. It's neither a PvP game, nor a PvE game. It's a combination of both, and the direct consequence of that results in a mix of players where some are interested in the PvP, some are interested in the PvE, and quite a few enjoy both.

Trying to alienate the PvE'ers and telling them they have no place in the game and should seek out PvP if they want content that involves making ships go bang and team oriented gameplay such as corporations and fleets is, no offense, quite narrowminded.

One could just as easily state that this game is a PvE game, where you have an option to go PvP if you want to throw away some ISK. It's all about point of view and how you decide to angle your approach to a discussion. I've heavily voiced the PvE aspect of the game, mostly because I completely disagree that the game is only one or the other (PvP / PvE).

I enjoy the PvP side of the game alot and even though I have several accounts where some of them have never fired a weapon at neither rats or players in the game for years, if ever, I still find much enjoyment from logging on my PvP'ers and going for a roam, both alone or along with corp mates.

I have quite a few friends though in the game who are new to the game, as well as friends among the PvE community that I've come to know over time. I would, personally, enjoy it alot if I could team up with them on an actually challenging mission without being forced to pursuade them to come to low-sec or a wormhole to do anything together. Either to just enjoy the game with some ingame friends, or to help friends who just joined the game in understanding how everything functions in a combat environment.

At the end of the day most of us play games to have fun and the majority also wants to share and enjoy that fun together with others.

Also, some people are not playing EVE as a career and only have limited playtimes which means they have issues to support any PvP activity (which, as I've outlined in previous replies, might not even be their goal) and just want to play it on and off over periods of time.

Should they be barred from playing EVE because their time and playstyle preferrence within the realm of PvE in the game doesn't comply with the preferred playstyle the game should have from a straight-up PvP'ers point of view?

My opinion on the discussion still stands though.... more team-oriented content in the game can only be a healthy addition; a slight disclaimer being that adding team-oriented content isn't the type that encourages botting like the current mission system does.

This mostly is a very interesting thread. I happen to agree with the op and feel it to be a priority to implement more small group, pve, high sec elements to the game.

If I may elaborate: My play time is limited, as is the play time of my corp mates. Therefore I would very much appreciate content, which we can hop into for an hour without much preparation and have fun. I can imagine group missions could be exactly that.

@Emperor Salazar: Let me give you a hint on why some people might perceive your posts as trolling. Your opinion is exactly that, an opinion, nothing more. Nonetheless you post your opinion as fact and even try to tell people what they should do or not. See, that is an overestimation of your own capabilities and how can one take your arguments seriously, when you do a basic mistake like that.

The lack of self-control in your posts does not go well with the attempted sarcasm about internet spaceships. They seem to be very important to you.

Also “You really need to learn how to get your point across with fewer words.” is only one example.

Thank you and have a good day.