Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Insurance CUSHIONS the loss of T1 ships... it doesn't remove it (see below why). And T2, T3, and Faction ships work under the EVE principles of "you pay through the nose for that extra 'edge' over others" and "once you're in an advanced ship, you're no longer a newbie."
Plus, crap insurance for T2, T3, and Faction ships is what keeps T1 ships viable after all these years.


Yes and no.

"Yes," because if a newbie in a Rifter tried to take on an experienced veteran in another Rifter, the newbie will mostly likely lose due to lacking skills.
"No," because if said newbie in a Rifter ran into a Veteran in... say... a "standard-fit" Abaddon? And if the newbie had the knowledge to get "under the guns" and shoot down the Abaddon's drones (which is a pretty common tactic talked about on most EVE forums)... the newbie can indefinitely pin down the veteran and there is nothing the veteran can do about it.


Everyone in FW LOATHES this mechanic, myself included. But what's the alternative?

If you make the plex "button" shootable, with a set amount of HP you have to grind down, then you encourage people to bring in more people with more DPS and basically blob the plex until the "button" is dead.

If you make the "button" hackable then you'll get the same problem... everyone will blob the button with hacking modules they lucky.

You could make it such that people have to deploy structures next to the gates and defend said structures. Oh wait... isn't that way 0.0 is like now?

You could also set it up that occupancy is based on how many of a particular faction's POSs are in system. Whomever has the most POSs has system occupancy... oh wait... that was already tried in 0.0 and just encouraged Dread blobs and POS spamming.


Interesting... I usually have better odds than that. Maybe you're not smacking them enough in local.

Also... always bet on "stupid."

I don't know what this is but I do know there's a monitor somewhere with saliva across it.

Well I am sorry you cant complain about unfair fights in 1v1 (or equal numbers) PvP and at the same time complain about blobbing.

Why? Because blobbing is what gives the newbies a fighting chance against more experienced players flying shiny T2 and T3 ships. Newbies blobbing against such ships is the only way the orders even begin to swing in thier favour and even then nine times out of ten its more likely that the more experienced peeps would shoot most of them down or escape by out tanking and then holding thier fire for the aggression cooldown to expire.

Now could there be room for improvement? Yes, but that doesnt make PvP less accessible to newbies.

About FW mechanics: Yeah I would like to see some changes to how it operates and hopefully CCP will deal with it in due course, the business about the button is something of a sore point for me too since I get my LPs from capture sites and PvP kills - I have yet to run an FW mission - however for the time being its probably the least bad solution to the current situation.



Maybe a possible solution for T1 in FW is to buy insurance in LP rather than ISK, and payout is likewise in LP. My two cents.

I was about to reply point by point, and bash your points into oblivion, since you were so well educated, but then I read your footer:
"Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective."
*slow clap*

Well to me, ANY change out of SHI* is a change for good.
For you, sadly, it seems to not be so.

Anyhow, I read that many who replied think that I could give a flying **ck about losing ships, getting podded, etc., but that's ridiculous.
For a start, there's no way of a frozen hell that I'll bring my main into the idiocy that is FW. He's all right running missions in highsec. I certainly don't feel the need to waste my time and divide my hourly isk income by 100 to play an unbalanced, ridiculous and pathetic attempt at ... don't know, seeing my monitor take a crap <= most evocative image I can think of while thinking about factional warfare.

Secondly, as I wrote I started a new player. New as in new player tutorials and career tutorials and three days training and there you go factional warfare. And the experience was miserable, even for a seasoned player that very well knows how SHI* eve's pvp is.
You see, I was not complaining about eve's PVP, which is well beyond broken by all reasonable and modern standards, I was just pointing out the fact that, especially for a new player, the factional warfare experience is SHI*, because it's boring, because it's not rewarding, because it's boring, because it's badly documented (i spent an hour in help channel asking how things were supposed to work), because it's boring and because, even if you try hard not to, you most certainly will not be able to overcome your expenses unless "you roll with 40 dudes".


The only way to make FW -any- less of a SHI*, -REGARDLESS- of eve's PVP being utter, explosive dhiarrhea SHI* by itself, is to reduce the grievance of shooting at eachother:
1) full insurance
2) factional ships

I just lol at these immortal space beings shi**ing their pants in their pods and fleeing at every encounter unless they're outnumbering. Losing ships is so ridiculously and pathetically important, that it always feels like playing hardcore mode where you only have one life and then it's game over.

Get over it. It's SHI*.

Dude, have you actually taken a cra* on your keyboard, or you actually typed such nonsense? Not even worth taking it apart paragraph by paragraph.

Points remain.
Factional Warfare is SHI*.
Could be fixed by:
a) full insurance for factional warfarers
b) warfare-issue vessels. might or might not be able to refit them, actually. there's many ways to make this very simple, and many to make it very complicated. In truth, even the simplest implementations would be a ridiculously big leap forward, from the steaming pile of shi* that it's f.w. today.

If you think EVE PVP is crap even by MMO standards then nothing will fix it.

Move along, stop complaining about nonsense you don't understand. You're clearly not good at PVP.


Not sure why you're raging.

@op
While I understand your rage, I think you should remove the harsh words and leave that for reply to trolls. The way as it is will only attract trolling because it soundsike a trollpost itself. And it is not constructive to begin with, even if the anger is justified.

I think they should make FW more like a battlefield match. each system has a few points you can capture all enemy team FW members get an alert that its happening your friends either hold out against them. run away, or die.

PvP = Risk = High Sec.. PvP = Risk = Low Sec. PvP = Risk = Null sec. PvP = Risk = WH Space. See what I did there? I pointed out if in FW, Mining, Missions, Pirating, Sov, plexing, So on so forth.. All of them have risk. "New players in FW don't stand a chance." New players in L4's don't stand a chance. Why do you think there are more than one level of agents? FW broken? Why? Because you only engage militia? Flying NRDS in FW? Doing it wrong imo.

Though I do understand, By your rage here I could see why FW would be hard for you. FW (Like most fun aspects of EVE) sometimes may require a friend or two (or 5 maybe 20 sometimes 150) to be able to enjoy it. Yes man. ITS A GAME. Enjoy the game. Don't like PVP as is? Are a Carebear? Then just carebear. Don't like losing ships? Don't undock. People lose ships outside of FW quite often and they/we/I replace them accordingly. EVE isn't WOW. Want to do riskless pvp? Sub another game at the same time get it out of your system then come back with more skills. That being said those of us who enjoy pvp in FW or not assume the risk of everything we undock. Not only that but it is the risk that makes EVE PvP so gosh darn thrilling.

Basic fix. Don't want to lose alot of BS/BC/expensive hulls? Stockpile rifters/incursus/punishers. EVE pvp isn't always large scale. But don't expect it to always be small scale either. Relax, Make some friends, Fleet up with small ships, Enjoy it. But its a game, If you don't enjoy it simply don't play.