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Time to make cargo scanners unusable in Highsec
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Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2012-06-27 02:43:21 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Delen Ormand wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
I think it would be better to lower the base cargohold on freighters and add low slots, so that the resulting max cargohold size is the same as before, as is the max HP, but if you are willing to give up some room, you can take more damage.


You already have the option to trade expanded cargoholds for armor. Unless there's a problem caused by having all current slots filled with expanders or all with armor, I don't see why adding more lows is necessary?

Freighters don't have low slots.


Ah yeah, apologies, I was thinking of my industrial rather than a freighter. Almost 4am here, I'll take this as my cue to go sleep :)
Pix Severus
Empty You
#82 - 2012-06-27 02:53:50 UTC
I actually find it quite exciting to know that a pirate may or may not be scanning my cargohold, and then assessing whether it's worth attacking me or not.

It's little things like this that add a little extra spice to the game, and it's something I would definitley not want to see removed.

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Tobias Durandal
Primal Instinct Inc.
The Initiative.
#83 - 2012-06-27 04:31:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobias Durandal
I feel like a broken record here.


Hire security or recruit some.

There are loads of dudes with guns out there who'd love to get paid to make you a really unappealing target.


See how easily I fixed your problem for you without changing mechanics?

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GoonWaffe
#84 - 2012-06-27 04:49:16 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
I actually find it quite exciting to know that a pirate may or may not be scanning my cargohold, and then assessing whether it's worth attacking me or not.

It's little things like this that add a little extra spice to the game, and it's something I would definitley not want to see removed.

And when a freighter with far too many plex gets blown up as you're warping away, it's a nice reminder that EVE is dangerous if you are a moron.

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#85 - 2012-06-27 05:00:52 UTC
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
Morganta wrote:
I don't see this as a valid solution to your problem

you could try any number of things people do to make it harder on the scanner like not APing around with expensive cargo

while you try and level the risk playing field you actually lessen your risk at the expense of the other player


what problem? I dont fly a freighter so I dont have a problem lol, and changing cargo scanners to NOT be usable in HS means the gankers have to take the risk the freighter they gank might not have anything or enough to cover their losses as apposed to the almost gurrentied payout from using a cargo scanner, locating a freighter carrying not only enough to cover their losses but also make them a profit.


If you don't fly freighters then one would have to ask wtf do you care for?

One would have to come to the conclusion that an individual would only be bringing this up if they were actually effected by it. It would seem rather moronic to have issue with something that doesn't effect effect you.


And no. Stupid idea is whining.
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#86 - 2012-06-27 05:09:52 UTC
That's the ticket! More nerfs! Make Highsec pvp free! CCP, I don't want to play this ******* game, so please, just nerf everyone else who does.

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InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#87 - 2012-06-27 05:25:26 UTC
Jonni Favorite wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:

WHY do faction navys and concord tolerate KNOWN gankers sitting on gates? IRL if the police saw a group of people sat outside a bank in a car and their all known and have records for violent armed robberys of banks they'd take action to remove said bank robbers, so again WHY do faction navys and concord allow known gankers to sit on gates with impunity doing nothing to move them on etc? :)


Really? I've never seen police just take down people for sitting somewhere. I mean if that were the case I would never be able to stop my vehicle as I'm a repeat parking ticket offender. But then again maybe you live in Russia or something where they just steal you off the streets. Just how often do the police sit around a bank taking photographs of people in cars, downloading the picture to their computer, and running a scan? Do they do this for other crimes as well? Maybe scope out the old man sitting at a bench in the park because he just may be a child molester rather than somebody who is just enjoying a day in the park. Better watch that person at the gas station who is buying a snickers because he could have made a counterfeit bill there.

Whats it like living in Minority Report?


You need to get out more, this happens all the time in US.


He also failed to take into account that bank robbers are very rarely in possession of nuclear weaponry and FTL drives.

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InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#88 - 2012-06-27 05:38:18 UTC
reamau wrote:
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I have no problem with "hi-sec isn't safe", but I'd like kill rights for a month on every pilot that looted my wreck as well.



You know, that actually does seem reasonable, aside from the looter part. Some day old rookie is just as likely to loot your wreck, and they'd have no idea why you were attacking them.

It would make ganking more dangerous with longer lasting consequences. I'd even go so far as to agree that serial gankers should be attackable without provocation or CONCORD recourse in highsec systems.

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InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#89 - 2012-06-27 05:46:25 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:

People engaging in unsanctioned, murderous violence for violence's sake wouldn't be welcome in a sane society except as entertainment or as a cash cow for therapists and psychologists to milk.


On Earth, yes. New Eden is intended to be untamed and wild. Even Highsec is dangerous and full of a lot of unsavory types. A lot of things fly there that wouldn't on Earth, because the system is inherently more loose and thus less stable than what we have here on Earth.

Apples and Oranges.

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Steve Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#90 - 2012-06-27 05:52:12 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:




Really? I've never seen police just take down people for sitting somewhere.


unfortunatly I have.
Its still way too comon around here that you get pulled over for the offence of Driveing while Black/Hispanic.
the alfabet soup of police departments IA units still has its hands full trying to weed that crap out even now.
Tobias Durandal
Primal Instinct Inc.
The Initiative.
#91 - 2012-06-27 05:54:31 UTC
The real reason Concord doesn't target those who keep their sec status high is because they're contributing to keeping rat numbers low. That and the color of your money matters more than your security's.
David Toviyah
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2012-06-27 05:55:11 UTC
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
I see your troll and raise you: Warp Core Stabilizers should be unusable in high sec, as you are safe there and they are only meant to get you safely through low and null.
Bullshit. WPSs are not used for committing crimes. Cargo scanners on the other hand have no use for anyone other than gankers (i.e. criminals). Why ban bombs but keep scanners?
Nazowa
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2012-06-27 06:02:10 UTC
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
the only use for a cargo scanner in high-sec is to scan ships to see if what their carrying is worth ganking them for it aka piracy.
Its time to put the risk vs reward back into ganking, because the formula for costs for ganking a freighter has long been worked out, removing the ability to use cargo scanners in highsec would then force the jita gankers for example to have to take the RISK that said freighter thats just jumped through the gate might or might not be carrying anything or even enough to cover the costs of the ships and mods used to gank said freighter, which also brings me to the next point.

WHY do faction navys and concord tolerate KNOWN gankers sitting on gates? IRL if the police saw a group of people sat outside a bank in a car and their all known and have records for violent armed robberys of banks they'd take action to remove said bank robbers, so again WHY do faction navys and concord allow known gankers to sit on gates with impunity doing nothing to move them on etc? :)


Yes by all means. Scanning cargo should be a hostile act akin to shooting someone.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#94 - 2012-06-27 06:03:28 UTC
David Toviyah wrote:
Cargo scanners on the other hand have no use for anyone other than gankers (i.e. criminals). Why ban bombs but keep scanners?
Because bombs are area-of-effect weaponry, which are largely banned from highsec, whereas cargo scanners have a number of legitimate uses to… well… everyone, really.
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#95 - 2012-06-27 06:43:43 UTC
David Toviyah wrote:
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
I see your troll and raise you: Warp Core Stabilizers should be unusable in high sec, as you are safe there and they are only meant to get you safely through low and null.
Bullshit. WPSs are not used for committing crimes. Cargo scanners on the other hand have no use for anyone other than gankers (i.e. criminals). Why ban bombs but keep scanners?


They are used to commit crimes all the time! I mean, those pvp ships with stabs are just awful. Those are the people who need to face CONCORD for just undocking!

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Tobias Durandal
Primal Instinct Inc.
The Initiative.
#96 - 2012-06-27 06:49:17 UTC
I face Concord everytime I undock. Lemme tell you, it's not pretty.
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#97 - 2012-06-27 07:29:07 UTC
Delen Ormand wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Delen Ormand wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
I think it would be better to lower the base cargohold on freighters and add low slots, so that the resulting max cargohold size is the same as before, as is the max HP, but if you are willing to give up some room, you can take more damage.


You already have the option to trade expanded cargoholds for armor. Unless there's a problem caused by having all current slots filled with expanders or all with armor, I don't see why adding more lows is necessary?

Freighters don't have low slots.


Ah yeah, apologies, I was thinking of my industrial rather than a freighter. Almost 4am here, I'll take this as my cue to go sleep :)


Get a blockade runner (like a Viator). Fit it with 2 x Inertia Stab II and 1 x Nanofibre in low and a cloak in high. Warp to zero, don't auto-pilot. With the inertia number of the ship, he won't be able to catch you on the other side of the gate and in any case you'll cloak a split second after you hit warp, so you won't be on screen long enough for him to target you.

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Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2012-06-27 07:31:29 UTC
No. Keep scanners, why would you want them gone, I believe the hulk thing was un-balanced but this would definitely be a step towards WOW in space.


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Luis Graca
#99 - 2012-06-27 07:35:21 UTC
making cargo scanner unusable in high-sec is the same thing than remove it, if i see a cargo ship in low-sec/0.0 i don't need to scan i will just kill it even if it doesn't have any cargo
Mag's
Azn Empire
#100 - 2012-06-27 07:37:05 UTC
RL analogies on page one! Great stuff, would read again. Lol

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