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Vaga Cyna - are they that different?
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Songbird
#1 - 2012-06-23 21:00:34 UTC
Vaga has an extra turret and cyna has an extra midslot - other than that - they're pretty damn close in performance(from what EFT tells me) - I've no personal experience flying any of em - I wanted to ask how do they stack against each other with a price difference of 70 mil or so? Also what other ships mix well with these 2 , scimitar is a given of course.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#2 - 2012-06-23 23:11:40 UTC
Cynabal is purposefully balanced to be the better of the two, though in this case it isn't by much.

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sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-06-24 04:38:47 UTC  |  Edited by: sabre906
Speed is about the same, unless your HAC skills are low. Cynabal is far easier to fit. It's also more agile by an noticeable amount, and with a smaller sig. Despite this, you'll notice it tend to take bigger hits, as Vaga's resists are better. T2 minmatar base shield resists are made of pure win. If you fly solo, Cynabal's better. For small gang with logi, consider Vaga, which has better resists, and also hit a bit harder.
Noisrevbus
#4 - 2012-06-24 04:44:23 UTC
The Cynabal is slightly better at everything (speed, agility, ehp etc.), when you add that up on a solo ship it starts to count.

The Vaga's advantage lie in it's HAC resist-profile mitigating more damage (the Cynabal have more of it's ehp in buffer). That only matters when you have RR-support.

Vaga gangs of the size where you begin to capitalize on that are rare today, hence the Cynabal is generally considered the better of the two.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-06-24 05:18:30 UTC
Some little differences here and there but for me no doubt about it, Cyna <3

Cynas I love to fight? -the one that come at close range and gets his ass ponded by a simple cheapo armor cane ;D

The ones I hate? -"I shoot you from there" 30km, and there's nothing much you can do against solo. Frigate agility, 3k top speed with a regular fit, very decent dps at that range, it's just awesome pesky stuff to make your enemy day a very bad day.

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Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
#6 - 2012-06-24 15:04:39 UTC
Depends on your style.

Vagabond with HAC5 is just as good as a Cynabal, Cynabal has the added benefit of easier fitting, can fit a DCU and get more EHP and it doesent have a massive kinetic hole like the vaga.

So you decide if its worth an extra 80mil.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-06-24 15:17:13 UTC
Gibbo3771 wrote:
Depends on your style.

Vagabond with HAC5 is just as good as a Cynabal, Cynabal has the added benefit of easier fitting, can fit a DCU and get more EHP and it doesent have a massive kinetic hole like the vaga.

So you decide if its worth an extra 80mil.


Unless you're talking about armor resists, it's not so much a kinetic hole as a slight indentation. Drake missiles won't do much against a vaga. Everything that can hit you worth anything, will be either EM or explosive.
Songbird
#8 - 2012-06-24 23:09:24 UTC
thought they both started at 40 kin resistance, so I guess how much of a hole you have will depend on the fit.
BTW now that you mention kinetic missiles - isn't the drake able to kill them ? Of course I'm not talking about a single drake but rather a drake fleet vs vaga or cynabal fleet?
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#9 - 2012-06-25 12:01:17 UTC
Vagabond has tons of excessive CPU so you can squeeze in an expanded probe launcher onto one if you're planning on roaming around solo.
For most of the other fleetwork, Cynabal outshines the Vagabond, unless you're fighting laserboats in particular.
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Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#10 - 2012-06-25 12:28:09 UTC
Cynabal can also fit a TOTALLY BALANCED flight of ec-600s
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#11 - 2012-06-25 12:53:06 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Gibbo3771 wrote:
Depends on your style.

Vagabond with HAC5 is just as good as a Cynabal, Cynabal has the added benefit of easier fitting, can fit a DCU and get more EHP and it doesent have a massive kinetic hole like the vaga.

So you decide if its worth an extra 80mil.


Unless you're talking about armor resists, it's not so much a kinetic hole as a slight indentation. Drake missiles won't do much against a vaga. Everything that can hit you worth anything, will be either EM or explosive.


Drakes melt vaga's.
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#12 - 2012-06-25 15:14:10 UTC
Similar ships. I do find the Cynabal more versatile in terms of setups (armor, shield, active or ehp stacking).

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Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
#13 - 2012-06-25 15:26:37 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Gibbo3771 wrote:
Depends on your style.

Vagabond with HAC5 is just as good as a Cynabal, Cynabal has the added benefit of easier fitting, can fit a DCU and get more EHP and it doesent have a massive kinetic hole like the vaga.

So you decide if its worth an extra 80mil.


Unless you're talking about armor resists, it's not so much a kinetic hole as a slight indentation. Drake missiles won't do much against a vaga. Everything that can hit you worth anything, will be either EM or explosive.


lol. Underlined the funny part.

I too worry about my 70% em resistance on shield and 90% on my armor.

The vaga has a gaping 40%~ kinetic hole mate, drakes that catch a vaga destroy them in no time at all, an untackled vaga simply gets scared away.
Unimaginative Guy
Dutch Squad
#14 - 2012-06-25 15:52:26 UTC
Too bad they both look pretty ugly even though they're both great ships.
Crozo Yotosala
Safeside Mechanics
#15 - 2012-06-25 16:14:10 UTC
Gibbo3771 wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
Gibbo3771 wrote:
Depends on your style.

Vagabond with HAC5 is just as good as a Cynabal, Cynabal has the added benefit of easier fitting, can fit a DCU and get more EHP and it doesent have a massive kinetic hole like the vaga.

So you decide if its worth an extra 80mil.


Unless you're talking about armor resists, it's not so much a kinetic hole as a slight indentation. Drake missiles won't do much against a vaga. Everything that can hit you worth anything, will be either EM or explosive.


lol. Underlined the funny part.

I too worry about my 70% em resistance on shield and 90% on my armor.

The vaga has a gaping 40%~ kinetic hole mate, drakes that catch a vaga destroy them in no time at all, an untackled vaga simply gets scared away.


Last time checked BCs are supposed to be able to counter HACs.

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Tide Way Out Productions
#16 - 2012-06-25 16:39:03 UTC
Gibbo3771 wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
Unless you're talking about armor resists, it's not so much a kinetic hole as a slight indentation. Drake missiles won't do much against a vaga. Everything that can hit you worth anything, will be either EM or explosive.


lol. Underlined the funny part.

I too worry about my 70% em resistance on shield and 90% on my armor.


He wasn't talking about the hole there. He was talking about Minmatar ships firing emp or fusion and Amarr ships firing EM.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-06-26 01:33:50 UTC
You don't catch vagas with drakes, much less these flying with scimis, as was discussed. The heavy missiles do almost no dmg to something like vaga in reality.

Yes, I was talking about AC and pulses compared to hmls, not the resist profile. And yes, flying a vaga, you should worry about ACs and Scorch. They can still track and kill you despite shield resist profile, hmls won't. And pretend armor doesn't resist, it's thin as paper, and your scimi don't repair armor.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-06-26 01:43:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Mfume Apocal
sabre906 wrote:
You don't catch vagas with drakes, much less these flying with scimis, as was discussed. The heavy missiles do almost no dmg to something like vaga in reality.


lmao.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#19 - 2012-06-26 11:40:35 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
You don't catch vagas with drakes, much less these flying with scimis, as was discussed. The heavy missiles do almost no dmg to something like vaga in reality.

Yes, I was talking about AC and pulses compared to hmls, not the resist profile. And yes, flying a vaga, you should worry about ACs and Scorch. They can still track and kill you despite shield resist profile, hmls won't. And pretend armor doesn't resist, it's thin as paper, and your scimi don't repair armor.


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Someone lost a drake to a vaga in a belt during their first week i think.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#20 - 2012-06-27 01:39:15 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
You don't catch vagas with drakes, much less these flying with scimis, as was discussed. The heavy missiles do almost no dmg to something like vaga in reality.


lmao.


ditto.

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