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AFK Cloaking is botting.
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Captain PewPew
Belt Monkey Mining Co
#1 - 2012-06-26 22:46:45 UTC
To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#2 - 2012-06-26 22:47:48 UTC
Um... no it isn't.


Botting is using a 3rd party program to mimic human behavior, ie to play the game for you.

AFK cloaking is specifically not playing the game.
Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
#3 - 2012-06-26 22:47:51 UTC
Captain PewPew wrote:
To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.


How can it be botting if they aren't running a program that emulates key presses?

RIP Richard A. Butt
Adelphie
The Lone Wolves.
#4 - 2012-06-26 22:48:08 UTC
Captain PewPew wrote:
To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.


Not this.

Again.
AFK Hauler
State War Academy
#5 - 2012-06-26 22:48:29 UTC
Then so are buy and sell orders....
Captain PewPew
Belt Monkey Mining Co
#6 - 2012-06-26 22:49:20 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Um... no it isn't.


Botting is using a 3rd party program to mimic human behavior, ie to play the game for you.

AFK cloaking is specifically not playing the game.


Botting is a computer controlling and affecting an environment without human presence.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#7 - 2012-06-26 22:51:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Corina Jarr
Captain PewPew wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Um... no it isn't.


Botting is using a 3rd party program to mimic human behavior, ie to play the game for you.

AFK cloaking is specifically not playing the game.


Botting is a computer controlling and affecting an environment without human presence.

No, lack of human presence is not necessary. A person can be at the computer and still be botting.


And in order to be botting, under the definition used by CCP (the only one that matters) and by most if not all game companies, there must be use of a 3rd party program to play the game.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#8 - 2012-06-26 22:52:01 UTC
Captain PewPew wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Um... no it isn't.


Botting is using a 3rd party program to mimic human behavior, ie to play the game for you.

AFK cloaking is specifically not playing the game.


Botting is a computer controlling and affecting an environment without human presence.


But I'm a computer that's made out of meat.
Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
#9 - 2012-06-26 22:52:33 UTC
Captain PewPew wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Um... no it isn't.


Botting is using a 3rd party program to mimic human behavior, ie to play the game for you.

AFK cloaking is specifically not playing the game.


Botting is a computer controlling and affecting an environment without human presence.


How can an afk cloaker affect the environment if he's afk?

RIP Richard A. Butt
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#10 - 2012-06-26 22:53:41 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Um... no it isn't.


Botting is using a 3rd party program to mimic human behavior, ie to play the game for you.

AFK cloaking is specifically not playing the game.


did I just agree with CJ?

this is madness... pure madness....
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-06-26 22:53:54 UTC
By the same logic, training skills is botting, as it gives an advantage to your character without you being at the keyboard.
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#12 - 2012-06-26 22:54:16 UTC
Know what happened the last time someone was afk in my system? Nothing, because he was afk.

No trolling please
Pipa Porto
#13 - 2012-06-26 22:57:15 UTC
Captain PewPew wrote:
To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.


In the what now?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#14 - 2012-06-26 22:59:53 UTC
Captain PewPew wrote:
To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.


See, just another reason for removing local, what you don't know won't scare you. Besides the AFK ones are harmless...

The cloakers you really got to be worried about is the ones who are not AFK Cool

I'm an American, English is my second language...
Ditra Vorthran
Caldari Imports and Exports
#15 - 2012-06-26 23:00:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ditra Vorthran
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Know what happened the last time someone was afk in my system? Nothing, because he was afk.


Do you want to know what happened the last time someone was afk in my system? I could do nothing, because no one can tell he's afk. There's no such thing as someone who is AFK.

"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus
Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-06-26 23:03:54 UTC
Captain PewPew wrote:
To get to it, Your presence in EVE is gameplay relevant. You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.

Being at attendance of your computer is you playing the game. AFK cloaking is a process of botting by allowing your computer to alter gameplay without your actual presence.

Discuss, and I'm mad, no I'm not quitting, I wish I had stuff so give me yours first.


AFK cloaking doesn't involve bots, so it's not botting. This is more like... I dunno... Schrödingering.
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#17 - 2012-06-26 23:04:27 UTC
I can tell you that living in a wh, we have about 30+ scouts from other wh corps/alliances logged off in our wh. This doesn't prevent us from doing anything, even though we know they are there.

There should be no reason why you can't do what you need to do. If they uncloak and tackle you, they aren't afk. If they drop a cyno on you, they aren't afk.

Quit being pussies and play Eve.

No trolling please
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#18 - 2012-06-26 23:04:39 UTC
Ditra Vorthran wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Know what happened the last time someone was afk in my system? Nothing, because he was afk.


Do you want to know what happened the last time someone was afk in my system? I could do nothing, because no one can tell he's afk. There's no such thing as someone who is AFK.

Congrats on losing EVE.
Raiz Nhell
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-06-26 23:05:10 UTC
Captain PewPew wrote:
You're existence in a system affects flow and control of gameplay.


And that's why people do it...

It effects a change in behaviour... in your case docking up and doing nothing...

Ganking/camping/anything we do in EVE has the same effect... it affects the flow and control of gameplay all be it from a position at the keyboard...

I for one, know the gankers, I see them in local, I find somewhere else to mine, or I head off to get another Hulk blown up in lowsec...

If I were you I'd get to know the cloakers, flag them and ignore them...

They only have a negative effect on your gameplay cause you let them.

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-06-26 23:06:08 UTC
EVERYTHING IS BOTTING

BAN EVERYONE

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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