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What's with the casual Anti Semitism

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Tyreul Severasse
#141 - 2012-06-26 21:47:59 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
Signal11th wrote:
Got to love 2000 years of persecution based on the premise that they may or may not of killed someone who may or may not have lived.


Logic FTW!


Learn your history better. They were already persecuted before the whole JC incident.


Quoting for truth. See The Old Testament or Tanakh.
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#142 - 2012-06-26 21:49:42 UTC
And a wise word to end this whole crap with.

Being jewish isn't being a race, it's being member of a religion.
Else we might get a lot of races like russian jews, hungarian jews, american jews, austrian jews, german jews etc etc.
Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
#143 - 2012-06-26 21:50:06 UTC
Tyreul Severasse wrote:
Killer Gandry wrote:
Signal11th wrote:
Got to love 2000 years of persecution based on the premise that they may or may not of killed someone who may or may not have lived.


Logic FTW!


Learn your history better. They were already persecuted before the whole JC incident.


Quoting for truth. See The Old Testament or Tanakh.


I tend to stay away from books that attempt to pass off imaginary stories as fact.

RIP Richard A. Butt
David Toviyah
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#144 - 2012-06-26 21:56:15 UTC
Oh silly Syllviaa Smile To learn a lot more, you have.

Killer Gandry wrote:
Does that make me an antisemite? Or even worse a forumnazi?
Duh, obviously!

Tyreul Severasse wrote:
Quoting for truth. See The Old Testament or Tanakh.
For realz. There even already was a (planned) Shoah described in the Tanakh.
Tyreul Severasse
#145 - 2012-06-26 21:56:41 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
And a wise word to end this whole crap with.

Being jewish isn't being a race, it's being member of a religion.
Else we might get a lot of races like russian jews, hungarian jews, american jews, austrian jews, german jews etc etc.


I feel the need to argue this point. It is both a race and a religion. The Twelve Tribes of Israel and all that. It's also possible for someone with no common ancestry to adopt Judaism.
David Toviyah
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#146 - 2012-06-26 22:00:37 UTC
Then how can it be a race if no “Jewish ancestry” is needed to be considered one? Or are there religion-Jews and race-Jews Roll ?
Rahmiro
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#147 - 2012-06-26 22:03:31 UTC
What about Big Digger Nick? I mean, C'mon!

I never seen these people in my life. I don't recognize them Your Honor
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#148 - 2012-06-26 22:05:27 UTC
I don't use the term myself (well, often. I'm sure I've uttered it a few times). That said, I don't think it's particularly anti-semitic unless you intend it to be.

Reference the world n*gger appearing in hip-hop and rap in a non-racist manner.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Slash Overkill
Hyperbolic Galacticum
#149 - 2012-06-26 22:20:26 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
Signal11th wrote:
Got to love 2000 years of persecution based on the premise that they may or may not of killed someone who may or may not have lived.


Logic FTW!


Learn your history better. They were already persecuted before the whole JC incident.


So was everybody else, give me a break!
Morgorathi
Euaemon
#150 - 2012-06-26 22:24:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Morgorathi
With all seriousness though I think its time I make a serious post on this.

I am descended from one of the very few actual Hebrew jews before the European Khazars came over and ruined the entire region. Its the Europeans who can't take a joke and attempt to bash any free speech or open dialogue on race relations.

The treatment of the African jews by the "True jews" from europe is deplorable.

To be a "Jew" you have to be descended from the loins of Judah. Khazars/Ashkenazi/European jews are not from his line therefore not Jewish as a race but group that has corrupted, destroyed and twisted Judaism into some kind of ~Le Haute Club de Magnifique~.

I'm fine with people using "Jew" in any context, if it has come a by-word for something then so be it.

When did Crime & Punishment become the mercenary employment board?
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#151 - 2012-06-26 22:32:09 UTC
Idiot post above... Look at Ashkenazi dna... It has zero.khazzar dna... The khazzars today are russian orthodox or Muslim

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Hiram Alexander
State Reprisal
#152 - 2012-06-26 22:35:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiram Alexander
Pantson Head wrote:
In this game? Why the hell do I see the word jew used as a prejoritive here more than anywhere else, without anyone speaking up in channels when it happens?
I used to see Goons as loveable scamps but the term they came up with for their cabal and used repeatedly in the self congratulation thread was just sickening. And it just gets snipped? Is it really not a big deal with anyone?

Well, in my years of playing EVE I can't say I've ever heard the phrase used on comm's as anything other than an insult.

Personally, I'm one of those who do actually find it offensive when the word is used as a pejorative; for example when used to berate a fleet member for putting a salvager-mod in a utility-high during a combat op. I tend to move on to other pastures at that point.

There are more constructive ways of dealing with these things, rather than resort to insults whether semitic/racist or otherwise....

As for it's continued use (as an insult) on these forums, well those days appear to be over thankfully. CCP were pretty clear on it. CCP Navigator commented on it earlier today...

And as for the derailment that's going on... OOPE's really where we should be taking that discussion. We'll no doubt see a 'lock' soon, otherwise...
Tyreul Severasse
#153 - 2012-06-26 23:30:36 UTC
David Toviyah wrote:
Then how can it be a race if no “Jewish ancestry” is needed to be considered one? Or are there religion-Jews and race-Jews Roll ?


You said it. There are "religion-Jews" and "race-Jews," to put it simply. Morgorathi went into some detail a few posts up. It's also possible to be of the Jewish race and not practice the religion, of course.
MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
#154 - 2012-06-26 23:49:34 UTC
Drink some juice and chill
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#155 - 2012-06-27 00:10:39 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
Got to love 2000 years of persecution based on the premise that they may or may not of killed someone who may or may not have lived.


Logic FTW!


I think you might find it goes a few thousand years further back than that.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#156 - 2012-06-27 00:10:55 UTC
Tyreul Severasse wrote:
David Toviyah wrote:
Then how can it be a race if no “Jewish ancestry” is needed to be considered one? Or are there religion-Jews and race-Jews Roll ?


You said it. There are "religion-Jews" and "race-Jews," to put it simply. Morgorathi went into some detail a few posts up. It's also possible to be of the Jewish race and not practice the religion, of course.


morgorathi is a moron who has never heard of dna... here let me link it to you so you dont continue down your path of ignorance...

wiki link

here is an other quote:

Quote:
The theory that the majority of Ashkenazi Jews are the descendants of the Khazar population was advocated by various racial theorists[48][49] and both semitic and antisemitic sources[49][50][51][52] in the 20th century, especially following the publication of Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe. Genetic studies indicate that the Askenazi population had limited genetic mix with Eastern European populations.[53][54]
This belief is still popular among groups such as the Christian Identity Movement, Black Hebrews, British Israelitists and others (particularly Arabs[55][56][57]) who claim that they, rather than Jews, are the true descendants of the Israelites, or who seek to downplay the connection between Ashkenazi Jews and Israel in favor of their own. ,


for more reading see this

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#157 - 2012-06-27 00:15:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Aruken Marr
Someone made a bad teeth joke about a fellow Englishman on comms and I cried myself to sleep that night. I decided to leave the alliance because I couldnt face the anti anglicismismness. I decided to have a cup of tea yesterday with Prince Charles who lives next door and he said he'd get in touch with a few friends to take legal action against ccp unless it stops. My teeth are fine by the way; I had braces when I was younger and I maintain a nice yellow hue by brushing once a week. Its just unnacceptable that I cannot log into an online game without having to face such prejudice.
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#158 - 2012-06-27 00:22:19 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Pantson Head wrote:
In this game? Why the hell do I see the word jew used as a prejoritive here more than anywhere else, without anyone speaking up in channels when it happens?
I used to see Goons as loveable scamps but the term they came up with for their cabal and used repeatedly in the self congratulation thread was just sickening. And it just gets snipped? Is it really not a big deal with anyone?

Lessons learned in this thread: Even using the word "jew" is anti-semitism, even if it isn't used in a hostile manner in any way, shape or form.

It's people like you who make the world a worse place to live in for everyone. Congratulations. May you be visited by braying donkeys.


No one said that every use of the word Jew was offensive. That's a straw man argument raised by people who'd like to keep making jokes about Jewish stereotypes.
Slash Overkill
Hyperbolic Galacticum
#159 - 2012-06-27 00:22:51 UTC
MinefieldS wrote:
Drink some juice and chill


I see what you did there Blink
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#160 - 2012-06-27 00:28:03 UTC
Morgorathi wrote:
With all seriousness though I think its time I make a serious post on this.

I am descended from one of the very few actual Hebrew jews before the European Khazars came over and ruined the entire region. Its the Europeans who can't take a joke and attempt to bash any free speech or open dialogue on race relations.

The treatment of the African jews by the "True jews" from europe is deplorable.

To be a "Jew" you have to be descended from the loins of Judah. Khazars/Ashkenazi/European jews are not from his line therefore not Jewish as a race but group that has corrupted, destroyed and twisted Judaism into some kind of ~Le Haute Club de Magnifique~.

I'm fine with people using "Jew" in any context, if it has come a by-word for something then so be it.


This is another straw man argument. What does it have to do with the pejorative use of a word in reference to offensive stereotypes?