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Time to make cargo scanners unusable in Highsec
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Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#41 - 2012-06-26 19:39:12 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
I stand corrected, it turns out the OP already posted a link over in OOPE about a guy who is being moved by the cops for just standing around after committing a infraction. Thanks for the prime example OP Lol


if your refering to the one with the 2 links in thats something else, and well read the post, read the articles linked and go from there, thats off topic though.
stoicfaux
#42 - 2012-06-26 19:39:47 UTC
Rer Eirikr wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Now as for the faction navies and sentry guns shooting known gankers (i.e. anyone with a sec status of less than 5.0,) I'm all for that.


You're kidding right? You do realize that puts everyone that PvPs in LowSec in the OwnZone

Dude. If a bunch of gangbangers were known to drive around in the desert (lo-sec) shooting at each other with firearms, would you allow them into your (hi-sec) gated community?

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#43 - 2012-06-26 19:42:02 UTC
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
I stand corrected, it turns out the OP already posted a link over in OOPE about a guy who is being moved by the cops for just standing around after committing a infraction. Thanks for the prime example OP Lol


if your refering to the one with the 2 links in thats something else, and well read the post, read the articles linked and go from there, thats off topic though.



I did do all that hence why I said thanks for the prime example. It's good to have somebody actually provide proof when asked for it and I applaud you sir, not like the other 2 in the previous pages who couldn't bring their game on.

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#44 - 2012-06-26 19:44:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Rer Eirikr
stoicfaux wrote:
Rer Eirikr wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Now as for the faction navies and sentry guns shooting known gankers (i.e. anyone with a sec status of less than 5.0,) I'm all for that.


You're kidding right? You do realize that puts everyone that PvPs in LowSec in the OwnZone

Dude. If a bunch of gangbangers were known to drive around in the desert (lo-sec) shooting at each other with firearms, would you allow them into your (hi-sec) gated community?



You really must be dumb if you think everyone in LowSec is a "gangbanger".

And yes, I'm posting and calling someone dumb, because its warranted.

For context if your required 5.0 for everyone to safely fly around HighSec without getting Concordinated, then no one who PvPs in LowSec would be allowed back in, unless they re-ratted their way back to 5.0, which is ludicrous.
Alaya Carrier
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2012-06-26 19:56:07 UTC
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
the only use for a cargo scanner in high-sec is to scan ships to see if what their carrying is worth ganking them for it aka piracy.
Its time to put the risk vs reward back into ganking, because the formula for costs for ganking a freighter has long been worked out, removing the ability to use cargo scanners in highsec would then force the jita gankers for example to have to take the RISK that said freighter thats just jumped through the gate might or might not be carrying anything or even enough to cover the costs of the ships and mods used to gank said freighter, which also brings me to the next point.


Excuse me, but low sec and 0.0 sec already got an infallible scanner for freigthers.

They pop them and then check what's inside.


Therefore moving the scanner out of hi sec is redundant and inefficient.
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#46 - 2012-06-26 20:24:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Blastcaps Madullier
THE L0CK wrote:
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
I stand corrected, it turns out the OP already posted a link over in OOPE about a guy who is being moved by the cops for just standing around after committing a infraction. Thanks for the prime example OP Lol


if your refering to the one with the 2 links in thats something else, and well read the post, read the articles linked and go from there, thats off topic though.



I did do all that hence why I said thanks for the prime example. It's good to have somebody actually provide proof when asked for it and I applaud you sir, not like the other 2 in the previous pages who couldn't bring their game on.


Hope you signed in the second link and ty if you did :)


reason not saying what that post in the out of pod section of the forums is,
is because it's off topic here and secondly would like people to actualy read the article in the first link then goto the second link after they have done :)
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#47 - 2012-06-26 20:42:05 UTC
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
I stand corrected, it turns out the OP already posted a link over in OOPE about a guy who is being moved by the cops for just standing around after committing a infraction. Thanks for the prime example OP Lol


if your refering to the one with the 2 links in thats something else, and well read the post, read the articles linked and go from there, thats off topic though.



I did do all that hence why I said thanks for the prime example. It's good to have somebody actually provide proof when asked for it and I applaud you sir, not like the other 2 in the previous pages who couldn't bring their game on.


Hope you signed in the second link and ty if you did :)


reason not saying what that post in the out of pod section of the forums is,
is because it's off topic here and secondly would like people to actualy read the article in the first link then goto the second link after they have done :)



Of course I didn't sign it, certainly not after you showed me the error of my ways. You were right, it helps to get these criminals off the streets. I feel sorry for that man, I heard that US inmates love the British accent.

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
stoicfaux
#48 - 2012-06-26 21:02:07 UTC
Rer Eirikr wrote:

You really must be dumb if you think everyone in LowSec is a "gangbanger".

And yes, I'm posting and calling someone dumb, because its warranted.

For context if your required 5.0 for everyone to safely fly around HighSec without getting Concordinated, then no one who PvPs in LowSec would be allowed back in, unless they re-ratted their way back to 5.0, which is ludicrous.

People engaging in unsanctioned, murderous violence for violence's sake wouldn't be welcome in a sane society except as entertainment or as a cash cow for therapists and psychologists to milk.

Realistically, it's simply ludicrious to think that fine upstanding people with a strong sense of community would want a bunch of unstable individuals living in their town, when those individuals have a proven, verifiable, willful tendency to engage in murder and property destruction at the drop of a hat.

Go to null-sec if you want to act like an animal. Just don't be surprised if high sec treats you like a rabid beast and quarantines you.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Hikaru Kuroda
Extheria
#49 - 2012-06-26 21:35:15 UTC
What we need is consequences for being good or evil, not the sec status system we currently have.

You commit a couple of crimes in high sec? You'll be punished if you come back to the same region, to the same system, to the same ever-camped gate. CONCORD will remember your name forever.

High sec should be a relatively "safe" place, but not for terrorists, pirates, or suicide gankers. They're actually taking less risks than every other player because they outsmarted poorly designed game mechanics.
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#50 - 2012-06-26 21:35:38 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
Of course I didn't sign it, certainly not after you showed me the error of my ways. You were right, it helps to get these criminals off the streets. I feel sorry for that man, I heard that US inmates love the British accent.


fair enough end of the day that is upto you :)
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#51 - 2012-06-26 21:43:05 UTC
What about these 3 overlooked points?

1 - I have never seen cargo scanning OUTSIDE of highsec.

2 - There is always a RISK nothing will drop.

3 - And finally, suicide gankers must be cost-efficient, which means they HAVE to bring the least amount of DPS needed to complete the gank. Everyone can overkill but then you cut into your (potential *see point 2) gains.
Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
#52 - 2012-06-26 21:44:53 UTC
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
the only use for a cargo scanner in high-sec is to scan ships to see if what their carrying is worth ganking them for it aka piracy.


Working as intended.

RIP Richard A. Butt
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#53 - 2012-06-26 21:46:05 UTC
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
the only use for a cargo scanner in high-sec is to scan ships to see if what their carrying is worth ganking them for it aka piracy.
Its time to put the risk vs reward back into ganking, because the formula for costs for ganking a freighter has long been worked out, removing the ability to use cargo scanners in highsec would then force the jita gankers for example to have to take the RISK that said freighter thats just jumped through the gate might or might not be carrying anything or even enough to cover the costs of the ships and mods used to gank said freighter, which also brings me to the next point.

WHY do faction navys and concord tolerate KNOWN gankers sitting on gates? IRL if the police saw a group of people sat outside a bank in a car and their all known and have records for violent armed robberys of banks they'd take action to remove said bank robbers, so again WHY do faction navys and concord allow known gankers to sit on gates with impunity doing nothing to move them on etc? :)


LOL

Sorry, but they only really have one use, and its precisely what you want removed.

No.

If you don't want to lose freighters, ******* ship smart and don't haul ridiculous amounts of expensive ****.
Ibrihm Esenhorn
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2012-06-26 21:47:36 UTC
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
the only use for a cargo scanner in high-sec is to scan ships to see if what their carrying is worth ganking them for it aka piracy.



Uh, no. I'd rather not get randomly jumped on the occasions when I'm running around empty.
Deuce of Hearts
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2012-06-26 22:02:07 UTC
I once hauled a bunch of PLEXes into Jita with a Reaper just for the thrill. Now what kind of fun would that be if you already knew no one can possibly find out what you've got? Sadly no one even targeted me. :(
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#56 - 2012-06-26 22:06:35 UTC
Deuce of Hearts wrote:
I once hauled a bunch of PLEXes into Jita with a Reaper just for the thrill. Now what kind of fun would that be if you already knew no one can possibly find out what you've got? Sadly no one even targeted me. :(


You can't, in fact, know that.

Most ships with a scanner will run a passive targetter as well. No need to alert the ship you are vetting to the fact that a gank squad has it in their sights.
Adelphie
The Lone Wolves.
#57 - 2012-06-26 22:07:02 UTC
Cargo scanners are very useful for a multitude of things - not just planning a suicide gank. I personally use them to monitor what our enemies are moving into their highsec logistics hub, which can be invaluable in a war effort.

For the record, I also believe that suicide ganking is a good thing. Perhaps ganking is too easy at the moment, but every time the risk is reduced in highsec this game loses a bit more of its soul.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#58 - 2012-06-26 22:12:45 UTC
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
the only use for a cargo scanner in high-sec is to scan ships to see if what their carrying is worth ganking them for it aka piracy.
Incorrect. Request denied.

Quote:
Its time to put the risk vs reward back into ganking
It's already there. People just choose to reduce the risk for the gankers by being stupid about how they fit their ships and transport their stuff. That's a people problem, and not something that can (or should) be fixed through ill-conceived mechanics changes.

Quote:
WHY do faction navys and concord tolerate KNOWN gankers sitting on gates?
Because they've paid their dues and are now considered reformed and upstanding citizens. It also has nothing to do with cargo scanners, so why are you asking?
None ofthe Above
#59 - 2012-06-26 22:17:14 UTC  |  Edited by: None ofthe Above
Making them unusable in high sec seems very wrong.

But I admit that it does annoy me sometimes to be scanned and my only options are suicide gank or wardec. Its a good point about obvious accomplices to piracy hanging about being not only tolerated but protected by CONCORD and local authorities.

Being scanned is a mildly (passive) aggressive action.

It would be interesting to see that count as theft (of information in this case). The target and his corp could get a fifteen minute aggression timer on the scanning pilot. (Suspect flag post crimewatch revamp, if that is still happening?)

That would liven things up around Jita.

PS - Good question about passive targeting systems. Would this be included too, or not since it can't be detected? Left to the discretion of the devs in the event they decide to act on this thought.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2012-06-26 22:43:11 UTC
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
WHY do faction navys and concord tolerate KNOWN gankers sitting on gates? IRL if the police saw a group of people sat outside a bank in a car and their all known and have records for violent armed robberys of banks they'd take action to remove said bank robbers, so again WHY do faction navys and concord allow known gankers to sit on gates with impunity doing nothing to move them on etc? :)

Police serve and protect, CONCORD's only there to provide consequences. Two different things.

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave