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Black ops BS buff required Discussion?

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#1 - 2012-06-26 00:27:18 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
I have been looking at getting into a Black Ops BS.
Not really sure why, since I am not part of any null sec group currently.
Anyone noting my posts might know why. But I believe it could be a fun ship, even with the huge cost involved.

Anyway, though it is quite excellent that the Black ops suffers no penalty to -----Edit----- time due to the cloak bonus, I think a discussion about a buff to the sensor resolution on the Blops might be in order.

Do people use the ship in null / low to -----Edit----- and tackle other ships, or do they let other members of the squad with better scan res perform that function?

How do most people use the Blops?

Post edited.
No personal attacks, please.

ISD Tyrozan
Ensign
Community Communications Liaisons
Interstellar Services Department
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-06-26 00:27:47 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
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Post edited.
Please discuss EVE topics.

ISD Tyrozan
Ensign
Community Communications Liaisons
Interstellar Services Department

Dodixie > Hek

Korg Leaf
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-06-26 00:31:06 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
IBTS

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#4 - 2012-06-26 00:35:11 UTC
Korg Leaf wrote:
ElQuirko wrote:
IBTS


Not floating

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Krystal Flores
Deliverance.
Arrival.
#5 - 2012-06-26 00:47:35 UTC
Generally you want other people to tackle because they do have slower lock times than your support.
They don't actually need a scan rez boost because they lock faster than several other battleships, a sensor booster helps aswell.


  • Set up somewhere.
  • Send cynos around
  • Bridge and jump to the person who has found something.
  • Fight
  • Disappear
Sperg Lord Deluxe
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-06-26 01:09:05 UTC
Do covert cynos work in low sec? /serious noob question
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#7 - 2012-06-26 01:13:06 UTC
Black Ops BS are not combat ships. They have a role and serve it well.

Next.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#8 - 2012-06-26 01:13:46 UTC
Sperg Lord Deluxe wrote:
Do covert cynos work in low sec? /serious noob question


Yep.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#9 - 2012-06-26 03:03:51 UTC
The primary role of blops is to bridge other covert ships. They have superior agility and lock times compared to other BS. However, CCP in its infinite wisdom decided not to give them T2 resist profiles. So they don't tank as well as line BS. Apart from the other blops, the Widow with it's ECM bonuses is the only EWAR-bonused blops, and can go toe-to-toe with other front-line BS and win with reasonable certainty.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Morganta
The Greater Goon
#10 - 2012-06-26 03:06:18 UTC
the moderation of this thread is epic
Mons Pubis Giganticus
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-06-26 19:36:40 UTC
blops are fun. limited. but fun.
Dark Assassin15
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-06-26 19:55:07 UTC
now if they would either allow them to warped cloaked or allow covert cyno in empire they would actually be usefull

[img]http://www.invokemethod.com/repo/failedsig.png[/img]

Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-06-26 20:57:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Roche
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I have been looking at getting into a Black Ops BS.
Not really sure why, since I am not part of any null sec group currently.
Anyone noting my posts might know why. But I believe it could be a fun ship, even with the huge cost involved.

Anyway, though it is quite excellent that the Black ops suffers no penalty to -----Edit----- time due to the cloak bonus, I think a discussion about a buff to the sensor resolution on the Blops might be in order.

Do people use the ship in null / low to -----Edit----- and tackle other ships, or do they let other members of the squad with better scan res perform that function?

How do most people use the Blops?

Post edited.
No personal attacks, please.

ISD Tyrozan
Ensign
Community Communications Liaisons
Interstellar Services Department


there are many ways blackops are used.
The best people at it are hands down Burn Eden

Typically they do a cyno and jump you with 10+ blackops with remote rep drones to spider tank and blast you to hell.
Its very good tactic and you dont stand a chance. With faction fittings it makes them very hard to kill. Its very expensive though but to take them out you will need a well fitted fleet and you will need to out number them. If they are good at it, it would be very tough to kill unless you dps is really really high and can out damage the rep of 5 heavy drones per blackops!!

Another common way but more used in lowsec is to have 2/3 black ops and 7/8 others which are a mix of stealth bomber + recon like arazu/pilgrim + tech 3 cruiser with covertops fitting. Its much cheaper and less risky if you lose the fleet but has less tank and dps.

Resolution speed buff is not required. The reason is simple. The cyno ship can tackle and cyno simultaneously. When the blakcops jumps in, they instantaly can rep the cyno ship. However you put it. The target is tackled and dead in seconds.
PS: you have to plate heavely the arazu. Arazu is best for it.

In all of these tactics, you cyno in, kill and cyno out in less than 8 minutes. Speed is the key!
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#14 - 2012-06-26 20:59:08 UTC
Dark Assassin15 wrote:
now if they would either allow them to warped cloaked or allow covert cyno in empire they would actually be usefull


They are not meant to be used in empire. Much like capitals, bombers, interdictors, hictors, and all the other fun stuff.
Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
#15 - 2012-06-26 21:00:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Luba Cibre
Morganta wrote:
the moderation of this thread is epic

I'm just waiting for another ISD Thread in GD.

...And the obligatory thread moved to ship discussion or FID.

"Nothing essential happens in the absence of noise." 

Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#16 - 2012-06-26 21:03:57 UTC
Soon, the entire forums will just be ISD members talking to each other through edits.
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#17 - 2012-06-26 21:24:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
I tried to figure out how the hell someone was able to put in a personal attack along the edited lines in the OP, but can't figure it out...


But then, I'm a ----Edit-----




---Edit---

Post edited.
Don't personally attack yourself, please.

lSD Large Collidable Oblect
Moron
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Department for protection from verbal self-abuse
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#18 - 2012-06-26 21:29:28 UTC
Large Collidable Object wrote:
I tried to figure out how the hell someone was able to put in a personal attack along the edited lines in the OP, but can't figure it out...


But then, I'm a ----Edit-----




---Edit---

Post edited.
Don't personally attack yourself, please.

lSD Large Collidable Oblect
Moron
Blockwarting unit
Department for protection from verbal self-abuse



something about misspelling "session" timer Blink
Solhild
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-06-26 21:35:19 UTC
Large Collidable Object wrote:
I tried to figure out how the hell someone was able to put in a personal attack along the edited lines in the OP, but can't figure it out...


But then, I'm a ----Edit-----




---Edit---

Post edited.
Don't personally attack yourself, please.

lSD Large Collidable Oblect
Moron
Blockwarting unit
Department for protection from verbal self-abuse


Quality
Pyramid Scheme
Carebear Productions
#20 - 2012-06-26 21:45:43 UTC
those mods lol

how to alienate people 101
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