Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Errr. We do.

The nearest one is usually only 3 jumps away. It just seems far with auto pilot set to safe.

A pretty decent summary of my rther lengthy spiel.

I would go as far as saying its a broken game mechanic, rather than just bad, which likely most of us have used to one point or another, however most could agree it makes 0 sense.

I am calling BS on this one. Maybe you have spent too much time in null and game mechanics are a little fuzzy?

Its actually very easy to be -10 and flying in empire. There are numerous -10 suicide gankers who 'live' permanently in Empire and carry out their trade very effectively.

Please stop trying to derail the topic with red herrings.

No different to real life (and no don't start bleating about EVE not being real life because thats pretty obvious to most of us ). The principles of civilised society are basically the same everywhere. Police are one of those.

Bank robbers and clocktower snipers get themselves an almost unlimited suppy of police/military in most civilised countries (Highsec?). Go to Somalia though (low/null), and well, as long as you aren't hobnobbing with a local warlords family said clocktower sniper can pretty much do whatever they damned well want.

If you want the facilities of civilised society, you get their laws and police too.

Another red herring.

If you think about who an insurance companies customers are in eve, I'll give you a hint - it's not hisec. I'd venture a guess that perusing the record books of the insurance company would find that miners etc don't insure their ships, because they don't expect to lose them. No isk for insurance companies.

So insurance companies will most definitely pay out claims to their favourite customers, especially because they are brining new business by encouraging more people to use their services and insure their ships. Win win!

I think you missed the part where most of hisec doesn't insure their ships, so most of hisec aren't even their customers. Those that do insure their ships (RvB I'm lookin at you) do it because they know they're gonna die. Insuring and paying out their nullsec customers is simply good business.

Eve is an insurance companies nightmare. No sane insurance company would open for business in eve, losing ships is what podpilots do best. So realism isn't exactly front and center here.

An insurance company isn't gonna care about some uninsured miner getting whacked, dudes not a customer. The insurance company pays customers for ships lost, period. Being in red ink is what being an insurance company in eve is all about - they're insane to begin with, c/d?

Missed nothing I have. Into the mirror you should look, hmmmm?

You're whining about insurance companies that have few customers in hisec paying out insurance claims to their paying customers when they gank non-paying customers. In your zeal to punish the bad men that make you mad, you're making dumb connections and can't understand any arguments to the contrary.

Its not an abuse of a game mechanic. People welp ships all the time, it happens. Combat is brutal in the dark cold sphere of internet spaceships. Drug runners evade hisec police in their attempt to smuggle their produce to captial pilots and pvpers.

Insurance is simply there to soften the loss of a ship. Insurance in eve is nonsensical to begin with. No matter which way you look at it their business model is horribly broken and they lose isk by the freighterloads even without hisec ganking. We accept that the same way we accept ships having crews that float around in space after their ship welps gasping their last breath as the capsuleer warps back to station to collect his insurance payment. You're comparing modern day insurance practices to this?

Won't even comment on your "more serious players" remark, it tastes of bitterness and elitism.

I have long been a supporter of the concept implied here.

Yes, the idea of "insurance" being paid to reimburse a pilot who deliberately engages in a crime seems absurd*, but as a matter of economics and game balance, it's required. If CONCORD was more nuanced and less omnipotent, such that they were merely difficult to evade, then we could go ahead and stop insurance for hi sec pirates. And EVE would be all the better for it.







*Although not much more absurd than reimbursing them for virtually every other way of losing a ship in EVE: "So let me get this straight sir, you deliberately and knowingly flew your ship to the site of a "Pirate Invasion" where you knew that there would be not just one but a whole fleet of Sansha pirates, your ship was destroyed as a direct consequence, and now you expect Mutual Assured of Isinokka to pay you for your reckless act? Good day to you, sir!")