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Time to make cargo scanners unusable in Highsec
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Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#21 - 2012-06-26 18:37:48 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:

And even if that were that case, you are still accusing people for a crime they haven't committed yet. What if they go and arrest those men only to find out that they were waiting on a non accused friend who wanted to make a quick withdrawal, before they head off to their 9-5 job in their now reformed lives. Well that just makes the cops look bad doesn't it?


1: who said they were commiting a crime?
2: who said about the police ARRESTING them?
3 I said MOVING THEM ON, which is what they WOULD do seeing a group of KNOWN bank robbers sat in a car outside a bank, one of them would probley poke their head inside the bank just to be sure nothing was happening inside.
Pyramid Scheme
Carebear Productions
#22 - 2012-06-26 18:38:16 UTC
they need a downvote button for **** just like this.
Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#23 - 2012-06-26 18:39:06 UTC
Your silly analogy has nothing to do with EVE. Concord and the Navy aren't going to blap people who they aren't mad at (IE: negative security status). If you're flying with too much in your freighter and you get blapped, its your own fault.

The minute you undock you become a potential target.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#24 - 2012-06-26 18:39:28 UTC
doing things myself is hard CCP make me invulnerable plz
Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#25 - 2012-06-26 18:41:26 UTC
I mean if you really can't see how drastically this would affect the EVE economy just from the sheer ability to move massive stockpiles of wealth completely undetected (NO RISK), then I don't know what else to say.
Eternal Error
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-06-26 18:42:23 UTC
No.

Any other questions?
SAA Legis
Miners Mine
#27 - 2012-06-26 18:42:41 UTC
How about....making Orcas fully scannable
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#28 - 2012-06-26 18:43:47 UTC
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:

And even if that were that case, you are still accusing people for a crime they haven't committed yet. What if they go and arrest those men only to find out that they were waiting on a non accused friend who wanted to make a quick withdrawal, before they head off to their 9-5 job in their now reformed lives. Well that just makes the cops look bad doesn't it?


1: who said they were commiting a crime?
2: who said about the police ARRESTING them?
3 I said MOVING THEM ON, which is what they WOULD do seeing a group of KNOWN bank robbers sat in a car outside a bank, one of them would probley poke their head inside the bank just to be sure nothing was happening inside.



Again, I point out that officers would have to have a face memorized first off.
How do you make somebody move away from a public space. Last I checked banks don't own streets. What if they park across the street? They are no longer in front of the bank now are they?

And what would concord do, send you through the gate? Put your autopilot on?

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#29 - 2012-06-26 18:51:19 UTC
Now watch as I carefully dismantle this entire argument.

Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
the only use for a cargo scanner in high-sec is to scan ships to see if what their carrying is worth ganking them for it aka piracy.


Knowing what ammo types are in the cargohold of your war targets is valuable intel.

What else ya got?

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#30 - 2012-06-26 18:53:30 UTC
I have, on unrelated alts, moved 80 billion isk in freighters and have even passed though ganker camps with it without an issue. Perhaps you should just learn to take appropriate measures to hide what you're carrying?

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fofofo
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#31 - 2012-06-26 18:57:50 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
THE L0CK wrote:


Really? I've never seen police just take down people for sitting somewhere.


LOL!

You are the first person I have met that lives in an isolated utopian society in which any news from the real world is either ignored by, or censored out from your access to it.

Either that or you are just -----Edit----- vOv

Mr Epeen Cool

Post edited.
Please try to select terms that are respectful of the other person.

ISD Tyrozan
Ensign
Community Communications Liaisons
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THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#32 - 2012-06-26 19:00:19 UTC  |  Edited by: THE L0CK
Mr Epeen wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:


Really? I've never seen police just take down people for sitting somewhere.


LOL!

You are the first person I have met that lives in an isolated utopian society in which any news from the real world is either ignored by, or censored out from your access to it.

Either that or you are just stupid vOv

Mr Epeen Cool



Again, link me an example where an ex-con was arrested or removed from a public area while he was just sitting there.

Edit: I should add a note about court orders in regards to probation but if that were the case the ones in question would be arrested to violating the court order, which as the op has stated is not what he is talking about. I would also like to note that not every ex-con would receive such a court order based on the circumstances of the crime.

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
stoicfaux
#33 - 2012-06-26 19:03:33 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
Cargo (and ship) scanners can be used for market research and can be used to glean intelligence about The Enemy's logistics, supply situation, and possible future actions.


Now as for the faction navies and sentry guns shooting known gankers (i.e. anyone with a sec status of less than 5.0,) I'm all for that.


edit: Okay, maybe 5.0 is a bit harsh on newbies. Starter systems should be immune and should dump newbies into null-sec so they can rat their sec status up.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
reamau
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-06-26 19:09:50 UTC
Quote:

WHY do faction navys and concord tolerate KNOWN gankers sitting on gates? IRL if the police saw a group of people sat outside a bank in a car and their all known and have records for violent armed robberys of banks they'd take action to remove said bank robbers, so again WHY do faction navys and concord allow known gankers to sit on gates with impunity doing nothing to move them on etc? :)

Really? I've never seen police just take down people for sitting somewhere. I mean if that were the case I would never be able to stop my vehicle as I'm a repeat parking ticket offender. But then again maybe you live in Russia or something where they just steal you off the streets. Just how often do the police sit around a bank taking photographs of people in cars, downloading the picture to their computer, and running a scan? Do they do this for other crimes as well? Maybe scope out the old man sitting at a bench in the park because he just may be a child molester rather than somebody who is just enjoying a day in the park. Better watch that person at the gas station who is buying a snickers because he could have made a counterfeit bill there.


Its more like a bunch of white pedo-vans camped outside an elementary school. You know what they are, but can't do anything until they strike.

Thats my personal objection to the whole hi-sec ganking. I have to wait till they gank me, then I can't even shoot their npc-corp alts that come in and scoop up your stuff. The gankers aren't taking any risk- they are calculatedly sacrificing their ship (known value).

I have no problem with "hi-sec isn't safe", but I'd like kill rights for a month on every pilot that looted my wreck as well.

Inferno: almost as fun as chewing used medical syringes.

Farley genocent
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-06-26 19:10:04 UTC
Sure.

While they are at it they can reduce the EHP and make it 100% drop rate.

Cheers.
Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#36 - 2012-06-26 19:10:32 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Now as for the faction navies and sentry guns shooting known gankers (i.e. anyone with a sec status of less than 5.0,) I'm all for that.


You're kidding right? You do realize that puts everyone that PvPs in LowSec in the OwnZone
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#37 - 2012-06-26 19:17:32 UTC
reamau wrote:
Quote:

WHY do faction navys and concord tolerate KNOWN gankers sitting on gates? IRL if the police saw a group of people sat outside a bank in a car and their all known and have records for violent armed robberys of banks they'd take action to remove said bank robbers, so again WHY do faction navys and concord allow known gankers to sit on gates with impunity doing nothing to move them on etc? :)

Really? I've never seen police just take down people for sitting somewhere. I mean if that were the case I would never be able to stop my vehicle as I'm a repeat parking ticket offender. But then again maybe you live in Russia or something where they just steal you off the streets. Just how often do the police sit around a bank taking photographs of people in cars, downloading the picture to their computer, and running a scan? Do they do this for other crimes as well? Maybe scope out the old man sitting at a bench in the park because he just may be a child molester rather than somebody who is just enjoying a day in the park. Better watch that person at the gas station who is buying a snickers because he could have made a counterfeit bill there.


Its more like a bunch of white pedo-vans camped outside an elementary school. You know what they are, but can't do anything until they strike.

Thats my personal objection to the whole hi-sec ganking. I have to wait till they gank me, then I can't even shoot their npc-corp alts that come in and scoop up your stuff. The gankers aren't taking any risk- they are calculatedly sacrificing their ship (known value).

I have no problem with "hi-sec isn't safe", but I'd like kill rights for a month on every pilot that looted my wreck as well.


What about the small, but still existent, risk that their calculated loss will be greater than their gain?
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#38 - 2012-06-26 19:23:11 UTC  |  Edited by: MadMuppet
There is nothing wrong with the cargo scanners, and I am a hauler. In fact, I kind of like them because when I fly empty it lets all the gankers know that I am not worth the time and therefore I can relax a little bit and go grab a drink or something when I dead head.

Then again, I rarely haul enough of anything of value to make myself a tempting target. I armor for the value of the cargo, or I work around it in stages. Yes, I have split my cargo in to smaller chunks in dangerous areas to reduce the likelihood of getting ganked, it just seemed like the right thing to do (like moving ANYTHING out of Jita) . I also have a few systems blocked on the auto pilot when they are seeing a lot of action, but also to force an indirect route when I ask for one. If it is valuable, a couple extra jumps never hurt, even in a freighter.

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Luh Windan
green fish hat bang bang
#39 - 2012-06-26 19:24:01 UTC
So the OP wants indiscriminate ganking of ships in high sec.

Didn't the Goons just have a go at that. I'm sure they could be persuaded to do it again.

Gankings kind of fun and not scanning would at least take the boring part away - more targets.

Something for a rainy day .....
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#40 - 2012-06-26 19:24:21 UTC
I stand corrected, it turns out the OP already posted a link over in OOPE about a guy who is being moved by the cops for just standing around after committing a infraction. Thanks for the prime example OP Lol

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?