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Time to make cargo scanners unusable in Highsec
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Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#1 - 2012-06-26 18:09:29 UTC
the only use for a cargo scanner in high-sec is to scan ships to see if what their carrying is worth ganking them for it aka piracy.
Its time to put the risk vs reward back into ganking, because the formula for costs for ganking a freighter has long been worked out, removing the ability to use cargo scanners in highsec would then force the jita gankers for example to have to take the RISK that said freighter thats just jumped through the gate might or might not be carrying anything or even enough to cover the costs of the ships and mods used to gank said freighter, which also brings me to the next point.

WHY do faction navys and concord tolerate KNOWN gankers sitting on gates? IRL if the police saw a group of people sat outside a bank in a car and their all known and have records for violent armed robberys of banks they'd take action to remove said bank robbers, so again WHY do faction navys and concord allow known gankers to sit on gates with impunity doing nothing to move them on etc? :)
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#2 - 2012-06-26 18:13:19 UTC
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
the only use for a cargo scanner in high-sec is to scan ships to see if what their carrying is worth ganking them for it aka piracy.
Its time to put the risk vs reward back into ganking, because the formula for costs for ganking a freighter has long been worked out, removing the ability to use cargo scanners in highsec would then force the jita gankers for example to have to take the RISK that said freighter thats just jumped through the gate might or might not be carrying anything or even enough to cover the costs of the ships and mods used to gank said freighter, which also brings me to the next point.

WHY do faction navys and concord tolerate KNOWN gankers sitting on gates? IRL if the police saw a group of people sat outside a bank in a car and their all known and have records for violent armed robberys of banks they'd take action to remove said bank robbers, so again WHY do faction navys and concord allow known gankers to sit on gates with impunity doing nothing to move them on etc? :)


I don't see this as a valid solution to your problem

you could try any number of things people do to make it harder on the scanner
like not APing around with expensive cargo

while you try and level the risk playing field you actually lessen your risk at the expense of the other player
Nostradamouse Riraille
S.M.U.G.G.L.E.
#3 - 2012-06-26 18:15:41 UTC
How about... No!
Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#4 - 2012-06-26 18:17:18 UTC
Nostradamouse Riraille wrote:
How about... No!


Not empty quoting.
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#5 - 2012-06-26 18:18:59 UTC
Morganta wrote:
I don't see this as a valid solution to your problem

you could try any number of things people do to make it harder on the scanner like not APing around with expensive cargo

while you try and level the risk playing field you actually lessen your risk at the expense of the other player


what problem? I dont fly a freighter so I dont have a problem lol, and changing cargo scanners to NOT be usable in HS means the gankers have to take the risk the freighter they gank might not have anything or enough to cover their losses as apposed to the almost gurrentied payout from using a cargo scanner, locating a freighter carrying not only enough to cover their losses but also make them a profit.
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#6 - 2012-06-26 18:20:01 UTC
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:

WHY do faction navys and concord tolerate KNOWN gankers sitting on gates? IRL if the police saw a group of people sat outside a bank in a car and their all known and have records for violent armed robberys of banks they'd take action to remove said bank robbers, so again WHY do faction navys and concord allow known gankers to sit on gates with impunity doing nothing to move them on etc? :)


Really? I've never seen police just take down people for sitting somewhere. I mean if that were the case I would never be able to stop my vehicle as I'm a repeat parking ticket offender. But then again maybe you live in Russia or something where they just steal you off the streets. Just how often do the police sit around a bank taking photographs of people in cars, downloading the picture to their computer, and running a scan? Do they do this for other crimes as well? Maybe scope out the old man sitting at a bench in the park because he just may be a child molester rather than somebody who is just enjoying a day in the park. Better watch that person at the gas station who is buying a snickers because he could have made a counterfeit bill there.

Whats it like living in Minority Report?

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#7 - 2012-06-26 18:20:54 UTC
-1


This would be a huge buff to freighter pilots. It has already been understood that carrying more than 2 bill in value is gank worthy. This stops money being transported around quicker. A good thing IMO

Just stick to being under the 2 bill mark and you should fly safer.



o7
Kyle Ward
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-06-26 18:23:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyle Ward
What we need is an unscanable container that takes like 5000m3 and allows you to store 500m3. There, I won freighter balancing.

edit: Or bring back the double wrap!

The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong!
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
#9 - 2012-06-26 18:25:08 UTC
If you do that, some will just use the "I think you are carrying weapons of mass destruction" excuse and you might still end up getting ganked (and loose your precious stuff) anyways.
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#10 - 2012-06-26 18:25:13 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:

WHY do faction navys and concord tolerate KNOWN gankers sitting on gates? IRL if the police saw a group of people sat outside a bank in a car and their all known and have records for violent armed robberys of banks they'd take action to remove said bank robbers, so again WHY do faction navys and concord allow known gankers to sit on gates with impunity doing nothing to move them on etc? :)


Really? I've never seen police just take down people for sitting somewhere. I mean if that were the case I would never be able to stop my vehicle as I'm a repeat parking ticket offender. But then again maybe you live in Russia or something where they just steal you off the streets. Just how often do the police sit around a bank taking photographs of people in cars, downloading the picture to their computer, and running a scan? Do they do this for other crimes as well? Maybe scope out the old man sitting at a bench in the park because he just may be a child molester rather than somebody who is just enjoying a day in the park. Better watch that person at the gas station who is buying a snickers because he could have made a counterfeit bill there.

Whats it like living in Minority Report?


parking tickets are a minor offense, in comparrison to ARMED BANK ROBBERY, who said anything about police taking pics? a group of KNOWN bank robbers sat outside a bank in a car, you think the cops are NOT going to go investigate and move them on? :)
Kyle Ward
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-06-26 18:28:38 UTC
Dragon Outlaw wrote:
If you do that, some will just use the "I think you are carrying weapons of mass destruction" excuse and you might still end up getting ganked (and loose your precious stuff) anyways.


But then there's some risk to the gankers... Would suck to waste a fleet of tornado's on a freighter that was just hauling around empty, unscannable containers...

The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong!
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#12 - 2012-06-26 18:29:01 UTC
I see your troll and raise you: Warp Core Stabilizers should be unusable in high sec, as you are safe there and they are only meant to get you safely through low and null.

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#13 - 2012-06-26 18:29:35 UTC
Kyle Ward wrote:
What we need is an unscanable container that takes like 5000m3 and allows you to store 500m3. There, I won freighter balancing.

edit: Or bring back the double wrap!


actualy CCP are going to be re-balancing freighters, they've already said their re-balancing ALL ships in eve which means at some stage their going to get to freighters and jump freighters.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#14 - 2012-06-26 18:30:41 UTC
Rer Eirikr wrote:
Nostradamouse Riraille wrote:
How about... No!


Not empty quoting.

Not empty quoting someone not empty quoting...

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Kyle Ward
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-06-26 18:32:34 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Rer Eirikr wrote:
Nostradamouse Riraille wrote:
How about... No!


Not empty quoting.

Not empty quoting someone not empty quoting...


Not Empty Quoting ^3

The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong!
Jonni Favorite
Red Slice Enterprise
#16 - 2012-06-26 18:33:39 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:

WHY do faction navys and concord tolerate KNOWN gankers sitting on gates? IRL if the police saw a group of people sat outside a bank in a car and their all known and have records for violent armed robberys of banks they'd take action to remove said bank robbers, so again WHY do faction navys and concord allow known gankers to sit on gates with impunity doing nothing to move them on etc? :)


Really? I've never seen police just take down people for sitting somewhere. I mean if that were the case I would never be able to stop my vehicle as I'm a repeat parking ticket offender. But then again maybe you live in Russia or something where they just steal you off the streets. Just how often do the police sit around a bank taking photographs of people in cars, downloading the picture to their computer, and running a scan? Do they do this for other crimes as well? Maybe scope out the old man sitting at a bench in the park because he just may be a child molester rather than somebody who is just enjoying a day in the park. Better watch that person at the gas station who is buying a snickers because he could have made a counterfeit bill there.

Whats it like living in Minority Report?


You need to get out more, this happens all the time in US.
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#17 - 2012-06-26 18:33:55 UTC
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:

WHY do faction navys and concord tolerate KNOWN gankers sitting on gates? IRL if the police saw a group of people sat outside a bank in a car and their all known and have records for violent armed robberys of banks they'd take action to remove said bank robbers, so again WHY do faction navys and concord allow known gankers to sit on gates with impunity doing nothing to move them on etc? :)


Really? I've never seen police just take down people for sitting somewhere. I mean if that were the case I would never be able to stop my vehicle as I'm a repeat parking ticket offender. But then again maybe you live in Russia or something where they just steal you off the streets. Just how often do the police sit around a bank taking photographs of people in cars, downloading the picture to their computer, and running a scan? Do they do this for other crimes as well? Maybe scope out the old man sitting at a bench in the park because he just may be a child molester rather than somebody who is just enjoying a day in the park. Better watch that person at the gas station who is buying a snickers because he could have made a counterfeit bill there.

Whats it like living in Minority Report?


parking tickets are a minor offense, in comparrison to ARMED BANK ROBBERY, who said anything about police taking pics? a group of KNOWN bank robbers sat outside a bank in a car, you think the cops are NOT going to go investigate and move them on? :)



Do you have any idea at all how many people are circulated through the justice system? Those police officers who just happen to be at the bank had better have one hell of a photographic memory to remember a face like that. Go ahead, look up the numbers, I'll wait.

And even if that were that case, you are still accusing people for a crime they haven't committed yet. What if they go and arrest those men only to find out that they were waiting on a non accused friend who wanted to make a quick withdrawal, before they head off to their 9-5 job in their now reformed lives. Well that just makes the cops look bad doesn't it?

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-06-26 18:34:21 UTC
hey guys let me yell about removing the only risk for freighter hauling and couch it in the argument that 'cargo scanners are risk free'
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#19 - 2012-06-26 18:34:37 UTC
Jonni Favorite wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:

WHY do faction navys and concord tolerate KNOWN gankers sitting on gates? IRL if the police saw a group of people sat outside a bank in a car and their all known and have records for violent armed robberys of banks they'd take action to remove said bank robbers, so again WHY do faction navys and concord allow known gankers to sit on gates with impunity doing nothing to move them on etc? :)


Really? I've never seen police just take down people for sitting somewhere. I mean if that were the case I would never be able to stop my vehicle as I'm a repeat parking ticket offender. But then again maybe you live in Russia or something where they just steal you off the streets. Just how often do the police sit around a bank taking photographs of people in cars, downloading the picture to their computer, and running a scan? Do they do this for other crimes as well? Maybe scope out the old man sitting at a bench in the park because he just may be a child molester rather than somebody who is just enjoying a day in the park. Better watch that person at the gas station who is buying a snickers because he could have made a counterfeit bill there.

Whats it like living in Minority Report?


You need to get out more, this happens all the time in US.



Link please

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#20 - 2012-06-26 18:35:11 UTC
- Don't fly AFK
- Don't put all your eggs in 1 basket
- Use a friend/ alt with a web.

Sigh, the only problem the OP has is that he/ she makes it easy to get ganked.


Oh, yeah another one from grand ma's box of wish dome EVE cookies:
- High sec isn't supposed to be safe.
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