EVE General Discussion

it is already present. jump after undock and dock after cyno-jump.

once i was moving stuff from Venal to empire. Was needed to make like 6 jumps to-from.
Every time i lighted cyno in 6NJ someone killed my cyno-frigate.
Ok. Let's use something fatter. I fit Abaddon with passive armor tank. And....

First time it lights cyno some NPC-noone alliance hot-droped 30+ gang on top of the station. My thanny had no chance to resque that Abaddon......

This is risk and cost of cyno. If you guys don't see any risks and costs you should left your BLUE-SEA and try to do job inside more dangerrous environment?

1.) Agony does NAP-fest, we strive shoot everyone!!!!

2.) I'm not sure I understand your point.... Your saying the risk of losing your cyno ship when trying to transport your capital ships signifies a risk to your ship. Most people use noobships or disposable frigates to light their cyno, and consider the cost of said ship part of their fuel costs.... Using an abaddon is very abnormal!! Since then, how often do you use a BS rather than a disposable frigate to light your cynos? Here's my point: People typically don't risk anything of value when cyno traveling.... The cyno mechanics allow them to safely move from station to station with virtually NO RISK to the cynoing ship, and the ships they use to light the cyno are rarely worth a pigs fart... I think, either the mechanics need to change, so your ship doesn't travel completely safely from point A to point B, or the cyno ship needs to be valuable enough that people CARE about losing it (this secondary option I consider fairly acceptable, becuase it means there is risk in the cyno travel process, even if not to the cyno traveling ship).

Cyno travel requires 2 accounts.... so I'm not certain I'd call it specifically a "solo" activity. Either way, if you can't cyno directly to a station, I'd imagine you'd create a safe spot, light a cyno there, immediately bring in your carrier or JF, and web to warp it to a safe and/or station. This is more risky than just cynoing directly onto a station and waiting out a 10 second session change timer before docking, but it's not an impossible, omg there's no viable way to bring a ship into system without it getting ganked situation!

So much for hot-dropping blaster ships.

Most jump-drive ships with a reasonable fit and reasonable skills can easily reduce their align time to under 30 seconds (under 20 if they get excessive). Web to warp will easily decrease their align time to under 10 seconds (You can reduce it to 2-3s if you use the right ships). Assuming an alert inty/dictor immediately warps to the cyno when it goes up, they'll enter warp about the same time you cyno into system. Unless you're lighting the cyno within a few AU's of the hostiles (which you're smart enough not to), it is very unlikely they will land on grid before your ship is webbed to warp. But it is risky... as waiting too long to jump through the cyno, an incompetent webber, etc.. will give you a very bad day...

Look at the other side though.... why should you be allowed to safely travel to a system camped by hostiles? If there are seven hostiles permacamping the system to limit incoming traffic, is it really fair or appropriate that you can easily bypass them with no risk other than losing a negligible cyno frigate???

Another note, have you thought this could be used to your benefit? One of my favorite tactics I call the cyno bubble trap... I anchor a bubble somewhere in space (ideally beyond scan range), put a disposable cyno ship inside it, position a small gang of cheap ass tackle dessies and gank boats next to it, perhaps a jammer at range.... light the cyno and enjoy the fireworks... Do that a few times, and people won't be instantly warping to your cynos!!

Other options, if you know they are camping a specific gate, block their warpin with a bubble!!!
Other options, bring in your ship under POS protection...
Other options, you go to a different system....
Other options, crash a decoy ship into them so they are too occupied to come after your capital...
Other options, light muliple cyno's....

Sure, much of this requires teamwork and gang mates, but I hardly think my suggestion makes cyno travel unfairly nor unmanageably risky...


*edit* To repsond to the statement below:


You can safely cyno in with a merlin... Fit it with a cyno, 3x webs, a prop mod, and maybe even a small bubble to give yourself more security.... And yes, if you're flying a billion + isk capital ship, I EXPECT YOU TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING... How is that unreasonable??

your first 3 options do not apply to JFs, which cannot (in most cases) choose another system, requiring to be 1j out of highsec; posses if youre traveling across the galaxy are impractical, dropping a bubble in lowsec isnt possible. As for crashing a decoy ship, I was talking about -solo- ish players, at any rate a 5m+ sacrifice to keep the gankers interested, And as for lighting multiple cynos.... again trusting your multiple billions of isk to a roll of the dice.


JFs again suffer from a lack of fitting utility. Should a significant part of your eve assets (a JF) rest solely on your ability to properly web after cynoing in? If it does, a lot of people would much rather not take the risk. I can freely admit I mess up 1/10 times, and while I might just be a scrub, that is just far too much.

i mean hey let's just limit cyno travel only to those with a supercapital fleet on standby

Good point, but consider this: you do not need to design a game mechanic that works the same for all your ships.

Take cloaking for example. All ships can equip a cloak, but only a few can really use it to it's full potential (warp cloaked, no targeting delay)

Perhaps it is time to have two cyno modules?

The first one being not very precise, cheap and easy to fit. Mainly used for traveling and/or easy to skill into for your regular cyno alts.

The second one would be much more pvp-oriented and be required for titan bridges/covert bridges. It would be very precise (just like the one we have now) but be more expensive in terms of price and req. skills.

I understand that when creating the cyno mechanic, it is simpler to have one mechanic to rule them all, but in this case cynos are used for two very different things - so sculp them accordingly to their role rather than having a cheap in-between.

I think you're being purposely difficult... but that's probably becuase this change makes your life purposely difficult...

1.) Any ship with a jump drive is NOT limited to any system. It might be ideal for you to use a particular system, perhaps because it's the shortest route to jita, or its where you have supplies, or you don't want to do more than one cyno jump, but only in a few very rare circumstances are you LIMITED to jumping into your ideal system. If you add one extra Jump, first to a lowtraffic, unpopulated lowsec system (of which there are plenty), suddenly you have many potential systems that could get you safely out to highsec...

2.) I don't deny that this change makes it hard on the solo'ish players that perform logistics to the more dangerous areas of EvE. Do you think its appropriate for logistics to these regions to be easy and risk free???? If it's a "dangerous region", perhaps you should avoid it as a solo-ish logistics player, and leave logistics to those regions to the more organized groups of players that setup POS's for protection, or have allies to protect them, etc...

My suggestion isn't the only potential tool... I think there are several options...

Whatever the fix, I still think risk free travel to the most dangerous areas of EvE is just wrong.... Do you really think that's appropriate?? And if so why??

-- is it because spending billions on a ship means it deserves safe travel??
-- is it because you think logistics can't and won't happen unless the logistics ships are essentially immune to risk??