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Looking for indy corp to deliver ships and fittings to lowsec.

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Johnny Twelvebore
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#1 - 2012-06-25 19:39:32 UTC
We are a corp of lowsec pirates based in Evati but we roam widely and have just signed up for FW.

It would be useful to hear from industrialists who can deliver ships and fittings to lowsec so we dont have to bother using alts to get it in.

The deal I can see working for both parties would be:

1. We set you to blue so at least we dont shoot you on the way in, we can also arrange scouting and protection.
2. You bring in orders once or twice a month, and are free to seed the lucrative lowsec market in our system.
3. If this arrangement works well we could talk about providing security for lowsec mining (we would be delighted to kill all the guys who will inevitably come sniffing around a mining op)

If this sounds interesting to any of you indy corps and you would like some more info please send me an Evemail as I rarely check these forums, I would be happy to hear what would make this deal viable for you.

Cheers,

J

Bloody hell, another eve blog! http://johnnytwelvebore.wordpress.com

Mishraile Viliana
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-06-25 21:02:09 UTC
I'm sure it sounds interesting for plenty. Now you'll just have to wait if there is someone that actually trusts you to keep such a agreement and believes you are able to make the trips save enough to be worthwhile.
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-06-25 21:11:13 UTC
I would be willing to do this provided you post a bond to a trusted 3rd party to cover the value of the transport and its contents.
Amadeus3
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-06-26 10:03:44 UTC
Johnny Twelvebore
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#5 - 2012-06-26 11:39:28 UTC
Ill answer the posts in order. Firstly you can always trust pirates when it comes to money. Our best income is ransoms and if people thought we wouldnt honour them then they wouldnt pay and we would be much poorer. This is probably our number one rule. I have no idea whether this sould be profitable but that is up to the commercially minded amongst you to set prices, we cant go to trade hubs and we get through a shitload of ammo, mods and ships.

Secondly no we cannot guarantee your safety and will not insure your ship. This is EVE - it is a violent, player driven sandbox and the concept of risk vs reward is key.

Lastly I am aware of black frog and they are apparently very good but we already have a corp JF. What I would like to do is give an indy corp with a bit of initiative a little help to seed a potentially lucrative lowsec market which in time may turn into a hub if it is done well. This will make them money, provide us with convenient logistics and hopefully bring more traffic intothe area which is of course good for us.

This is just an idea and may be a completely **** one but I would like to hear as many (intelligent) opinions as possible.

Bloody hell, another eve blog! http://johnnytwelvebore.wordpress.com

Mishraile Viliana
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-06-26 11:55:10 UTC
Well most of what we see on these forums would actually indicate that most pirates cannot be trusted and if it isn't profitable no one interested in industry will bother with it.

Also the fact that you aren't willing to provide any compensation/security for who is setting this up gives me more the impression you want to lure in big targets to ransom/blow up then actually setting up a more permanent supply line to your homebase.

If you want to set it up I would say that the most important part would be you being able to garantuee that 80-90% of the deliveries get through so that whoever is running it isn't faced with 2-3 multibillions loses per month. As a side note the more secure your supply line is, preferably for multiple coorporation, the closer the prices will be to the price in jita or whatever other trade hub is closest.
15th Century Portrait
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-06-26 17:20:21 UTC
Johnny Twelvebore wrote:
Ill answer the posts in order. Firstly you can always trust pirates when it comes to money. Our best income is ransoms and if people thought we wouldnt honour them then they wouldnt pay and we would be much poorer. This is probably our number one rule. I have no idea whether this sould be profitable but that is up to the commercially minded amongst you to set prices, we cant go to trade hubs and we get through a shitload of ammo, mods and ships.

Secondly no we cannot guarantee your safety and will not insure your ship. This is EVE - it is a violent, player driven sandbox and the concept of risk vs reward is key.

Lastly I am aware of black frog and they are apparently very good but we already have a corp JF. What I would like to do is give an indy corp with a bit of initiative a little help to seed a potentially lucrative lowsec market which in time may turn into a hub if it is done well. This will make them money, provide us with convenient logistics and hopefully bring more traffic intothe area which is of course good for us.

This is just an idea and may be a completely **** one but I would like to hear as many (intelligent) opinions as possible.


so let me make sure i got this straight. you have a JF, you know about Black Frog, but you want someone in crappier ships that can't jump direct to station to deliver things to you in losec? I guess its more clever than directly advertising for haulers to gank.
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-06-26 17:38:12 UTC
OP isn't making any sense any more.

Use your stupid JF!
BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-06-26 19:54:17 UTC
Hey give me 3b isk and Ill hold your bond. But I must admit I have a gambling habbit and I cant guarantee that your 3b isk will be here anymore but you should trust me because Im in gambling anonymous and really wont take your 3b isk.


I love how people never think things through....(both sides)

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation

Trollin
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-06-26 22:21:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Trollin
assuming you arent out to jack anyone who replies, why not list what you want delivered and what you think you would pay for it and see if anyone takes you up on that account


I know people who sell in lowsec hubs but they wouldnt take anyone's word on protection or being blued or any specific timeframes

either list what you want and hope it shows up, or buy it yourself and set up couriers that have good rewards+long durations+long acceptance times and package size that can fit in a viator or GSC's

not trying to be a **** just saying what i think might work for you.

We are our own worst enemy.

Ash Stewart
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#11 - 2012-06-27 02:58:46 UTC
Johnny Twelvebore wrote:
We are a corp of lowsec pirates based in Evati but we roam widely and have just signed up for FW.

It would be useful to hear from industrialists who can deliver ships and fittings to lowsec so we dont have to bother using alts to get it in.

The deal I can see working for both parties would be:

1. We set you to blue so at least we dont shoot you on the way in, we can also arrange scouting and protection.
2. You bring in orders once or twice a month, and are free to seed the lucrative lowsec market in our system.
3. If this arrangement works well we could talk about providing security for lowsec mining (we would be delighted to kill all the guys who will inevitably come sniffing around a mining op)

If this sounds interesting to any of you indy corps and you would like some more info please send me an Evemail as I rarely check these forums, I would be happy to hear what would make this deal viable for you.

Cheers,

J


sounds like a classic goon scam :P

good luck with that mate.

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Johnny Twelvebore
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#12 - 2012-06-27 11:32:15 UTC
Trollin wrote:
assuming you arent out to jack anyone who replies, why not list what you want delivered and what you think you would pay for it and see if anyone takes you up on that account


I know people who sell in lowsec hubs but they wouldnt take anyone's word on protection or being blued or any specific timeframes

either list what you want and hope it shows up, or buy it yourself and set up couriers that have good rewards+long durations+long acceptance times and package size that can fit in a viator or GSC's

not trying to be a **** just saying what i think might work for you.


Thanks for some useful info. Let me explain some background just now, I am currently stuck in a west african jungle on satcomms and cant undock (uberlag) I can just about update skills but thats it. My interaction with the game is therefore limited to chatting with friends in ingame channels and reading blogs. It is doing my head in but I am thinking a lot and logistics was one of the subjects I thought about. Specifically how can I avoid pissing about with logistics when I get back and have more time to blow stuff up.

Now I know very little about industry and logistics which is why I am here suggesting an idea and seeing if anyone has anythign constructive to say. Several corps have evemailed me and Ill probably talk to them on comms when I get back to the UK, nothing may come of it but it was an idea and either way Ill learn a bit more about a subject Im pretty ignorant of.
To all the annoying posters who accuse me of going to all this effort in order to blow up one indy ship, if I want to blow up haulers then Ill go blow them up (I could even suicide in high sec if that was my thing) but I prefer stuff that shoots back, mostly frigs and dessies - this is something I know about.

If you distrust pirates then that is a perfectly valid opinion and you should shoot first and ask questions later, just dont clog up this post with "argh you're a scammer" posts, the internet here is shite and it takes me longer to get to the people who are offering useful info.

Bloody hell, another eve blog! http://johnnytwelvebore.wordpress.com

15th Century Portrait
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-06-27 14:39:56 UTC
Johnny Twelvebore wrote:
Thanks for some useful info. Let me explain some background just now, I am currently stuck in a west african jungle on satcomms and cant undock (uberlag) I can just about update skills but thats it. My interaction with the game is therefore limited to chatting with friends in ingame channels and reading blogs. It is doing my head in but I am thinking a lot and logistics was one of the subjects I thought about. Specifically how can I avoid pissing about with logistics when I get back and have more time to blow stuff up.

Now I know very little about industry and logistics which is why I am here suggesting an idea and seeing if anyone has anythign constructive to say. Several corps have evemailed me and Ill probably talk to them on comms when I get back to the UK, nothing may come of it but it was an idea and either way Ill learn a bit more about a subject Im pretty ignorant of.
To all the annoying posters who accuse me of going to all this effort in order to blow up one indy ship, if I want to blow up haulers then Ill go blow them up (I could even suicide in high sec if that was my thing) but I prefer stuff that shoots back, mostly frigs and dessies - this is something I know about.

If you distrust pirates then that is a perfectly valid opinion and you should shoot first and ask questions later, just dont clog up this post with "argh you're a scammer" posts, the internet here is shite and it takes me longer to get to the people who are offering useful info.

Oh please stop lying. The logic here is simple, you are in a corp with access to a jump freighter. Any and all logistics needs you have can be met with that. There is simply no logical reason why you need someone to do it for you and being in the 'west african jungles' has absolutely nothing to do with anything. If you can log in and chat, you can sit in Jita and purchase what you need. You got caught making a lame attempt to bait in targets.
Johnny Twelvebore
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#14 - 2012-06-27 17:01:31 UTC
You are almost 100% right.

I could JF everything I need into system and that may yet be the most efficient way to do it, Ive never tried but will give it a go soon.

I could get an alt to Jita (probably) or log one off there while Im somewhere with good internet and then use that guy to buy the stuff and contract to the JF.

But wouldn't it be more interesting to try to encourage a market hub in our system because again yes that would bring in targets as well as helping with logistics, you have a narrow minded and short termist attitude.

However, in the interests of fairness, and as several people have pointed out, I and my corp are red flashy pirates and make our living by shooting and ransoming other players. Please bear this in mind when jumping into lowsec. I would add however that we are also reasonably intelligent adults and not idiotic children only interested in short term goals.

By the way, thanks to all the guys who evemailed, Ill chat to you next week when Im in the UK and can use comms.

Bloody hell, another eve blog! http://johnnytwelvebore.wordpress.com

15th Century Portrait
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-06-27 17:13:08 UTC  |  Edited by: 15th Century Portrait
Johnny Twelvebore wrote:
You are almost 100% right.

I could JF everything I need into system and that may yet be the most efficient way to do it, Ive never tried but will give it a go soon.

I could get an alt to Jita (probably) or log one off there while Im somewhere with good internet and then use that guy to buy the stuff and contract to the JF.

But wouldn't it be more interesting to try to encourage a market hub in our system because again yes that would bring in targets as well as helping with logistics, you have a narrow minded and short termist attitude.

However, in the interests of fairness, and as several people have pointed out, I and my corp are red flashy pirates and make our living by shooting and ransoming other players. Please bear this in mind when jumping into lowsec. I would add however that we are also reasonably intelligent adults and not idiotic children only interested in short term goals.

By the way, thanks to all the guys who evemailed, Ill chat to you next week when Im in the UK and can use comms.


what do you mean it "might" be the most efficient way to do it? Is there some twist of math that would make it more efficient to run around in industrials and cloaky haulers than to move it in something with 15 times the capacity and jump directly to the target station?

edit: with your JF you can be the one to seed the market. then when people come to buy stuff, you can shoot them. oh wait, that won't work because anyone with a brain buys their stuff in hisec with an alt and moves it into losec.
Johnny Twelvebore
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#16 - 2012-06-27 17:21:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Johnny Twelvebore
I never said it would. The idea of luring in non jump capable ships to be attacked by us was brought up by you and you are too stubborn to get that idea out of your thick head.

I expect anyone making a serious attempt to stock a market would do so with JFs.

Just because the norm is to buy in Jita and move it out doesn't mean I shouldnt try to create something more local.

Bloody hell, another eve blog! http://johnnytwelvebore.wordpress.com

Skorpynekomimi
#17 - 2012-06-27 20:13:29 UTC
Sounds like a good deal to me. Too good to be true, though. You might want to talk a bit more piratey, be more demanding. Make touchy industrialists a little less antsy around you.

Economic PVP

Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-06-27 23:29:09 UTC
For a bond to be valid it would have to be held by a trustworthy third party and not by either interested party.

It does sound like a good opportunity if some indy would get past the trust issue.

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Karash Amerius
The Seven Shadows
Scotch And Tea.
#19 - 2012-06-28 19:57:11 UTC
Lowsec will never be "lucrative" because the trade volume is not there. Pirates based in their home constellations do not lose all that many ships, or have to buy a lot of stuff compared to the volume of even minor regional trade hubs. I state this as I have tried in over 7 regions over the years and have always met the same results.

You would be better served in just forming a strong relationship with some traders, and entice them in other ways (such as level 5 mission agents).

"Lucrative" is non existent in lowsec to any experienced trader.

Karash Amerius Operative, Sutoka

Annabell Ood
Ood Mineral Resources Management
#20 - 2012-06-30 17:16:41 UTC
Send me your shopping list and forward over the ISK ....I would be happy to buy everything you need and run it out to you
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